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Old 11-02-2005, 02:29 AM
Sykes Sykes is offline
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Default What to do with 11-14xBB??

If you have between 11-14xBB what do you do with the following hands?

ATs in late position?
AJs in early position?
AJs in late position?
AQs in early position?
AQs in late position?
AKo/s in early position?
AKo/s in late position?

22-88 in early position?
22-88 in late position?
99-JJ in early position?
99-JJ in late position?
QQ-AA in early position?
QQ=AA in late position?


Seriously, the one major thing in my game to fix is what to do with these hands when holding 11-14xBB.
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

It depends.
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

There is no "answer".

Not to sound harsh, but the very fact that you would ask this in this manor tells me that there are a lot of of major things to fix in your game besides playing these hands with 11-14 BBs.


Basically, you need to think differently and appreciate the importance of situational thinking.

ah, screw it. Here do this and never lose another hand of poker!
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:56 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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It depends.

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gee thanks. like i didn't expect that as an answer.

what else does it depend on? the amount of times you get called if you push? the number of callers you get if you raise 3x? the amount of times you can get people to fold to a continuation bet when you raise 3x preflop?

like what????
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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It depends.

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gee thanks. like i didn't expect that as an answer.

what else does it depend on? the amount of times you get called if you push? the number of callers you get if you raise 3x? the amount of times you can get people to fold to a continuation bet when you raise 3x preflop?

like what????

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well, all of that.

plus the relative stack size of the blinds and anyone opening/entering before you.

plus your read on the blinds and anyone opening/entering before you.

plus your image at the table.

plus the action in front of you.


theres probably more that im leaving out.

if your question/request could be definitively answered, we wouldnt spend all day posting about specific hands.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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There is no "answer".

Not to sound harsh, but the very fact that you would ask this in this manor tells me that there are a lot of of major things to fix in your game besides playing these hands with 11-14 BBs.


Basically, you need to think differently and appreciate the importance of situational thinking.

ah, screw it. Here do this and never lose another hand of poker!

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well obviously I'm not a top player but I feel that this is one of the weakest parts in my game. Plus the limits that I play (1-5$) a lot of it has to do with cards you hold.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:03 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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It depends.

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gee thanks. like i didn't expect that as an answer.

what else does it depend on? the amount of times you get called if you push? the number of callers you get if you raise 3x? the amount of times you can get people to fold to a continuation bet when you raise 3x preflop?

like what????

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well, all of that.

plus the relative stack size of the blinds and anyone opening/entering before you.

plus your read on the blinds and anyone opening/entering before you.

plus your image at the table.

plus the action in front of you.


theres probably more that im leaving out.

if your question/request could be definitely answered, we wouldnt spend all day posting about specific hands.

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ok, if these are all factors.. why not just tell me the most +EV play in each situation.

Like let's say, that no one will ever fold AJo+/66+ if I push with 11-14xBB and a lot of people will call me with A TON of hands (say 35% of the hands) if I raise 3x.

What do I do?
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:11 AM
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ok, if these are all factors.. why not just tell me the most +EV play in each situation.

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are you serious

put in the freakin hours. i'm going to tell you how to play in every potential situation with every potential hand with this particular stack size?

first off, i don't even know, because i'm sure there are dozens (hundreds, thousands) of situations i've yet to encounter.

second off, i mean, did you even read MLG's recent thread about Pet Peeves? this is exactly what he's describing. "just tell me what to do." no! it's not going to help you become a good poker player, it's just going to help you become a bot with a bunch of pre programmed, unadaptable plays you make in preconceived situations.

if you can't be bothered to take the time to think about why a specific situation calls for a specific play, than i certainly don't feel the need to help you (because i think it's an exercise in futility), and i imagine others feel similarly.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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ok, if these are all factors.. why not just tell me the most +EV play in each situation.

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no! it's not going to help you become a good poker player, it's just going to help you become a bot with a bunch of pre programmed, unadaptable plays you make in preconceived situations.



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please tell me why you can play STT like a bot but not MTTs.

i really don't see how becoming a bot is hurtful to become a poker player. I did it for STTs and for limit hold-em, so why can't I do it for MTTs?

seriously, at these limit's it's like 90% cards.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: What to do with 11-14xBB??

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please tell me why you can play STT like a bot but not MTTs.


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stts are dumb.
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