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| I only drink bottled water, like Julia Roberts |
   
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37 | 28.24% |
| I drink tap water, like Abe Lincoln |
  
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64 | 48.85% |
| No alcohol in water, neither. |
  
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11 | 8.40% |
| Other, I posted my response below |
  
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19 | 14.50% |
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#11
04-01-2005, 03:48 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
Honestly, I don't think I could bring myself to do it, but I can understand where others would. I play poker MOSTLY for fun (yes, the side benefits of winning are very nice) and there's something inside me that just wouldn't feel right about doing this. Once again though, I don't think it's necessarily WRONG.
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#12
04-01-2005, 04:46 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
Well my NO vote made it 50/50 , but this is talking about a headsup scenario for more than $5.
If someone I didn't think was of normal intelligence walked into my casino, bought chips and sat at my table, I'm not getting up because of it, and I'd adjust my play accordingly.
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#13
04-01-2005, 05:47 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
I voted yes but I would perfer it to be online play. I have left live tables when a smelly or rude person was giving their money away. If a retard was giving his money away there is a good chance I would leave.
Not because I think it is wrong to take their money. But because 90% of them bug me more than smelly or rude people. However I would stay long enough to see if the retard is a nice guy or not. I know a retard who does more smart stuff than most "normal" people I have meet. He goes to the gym 3 times a week, he is clean, polite, and trustworthy. He is to smart to play poker though. I however...
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#14
04-01-2005, 09:00 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
Interesting tone to this thread.
"retard", etc. To those that seem to throw the word "retard" around with impunity, how about....... If another person's abilities are so offensive to you that you choose to be condecending and arrogant, what does that say about you as a human being? How delightful some of you choose to believe that there is only one type of intelligence. Are you really that insecure? I'll take my hits about being PC, lighten up comments and other adolescent taunts. I come in contact with differently abled people on a daily basis. For the most part, all they want is to be treated as any other human being does, with dignity and respect. Without direct knowledge that another player is a vulnerable adult, I think it only just that one treats every player the same.
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#15
04-01-2005, 10:15 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
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After thinking about the basic idea of playing against someone who is mentally retarded, I started to think about the question "if you could, would you?" I am curious to see the responses. I mean for the question to be as open ended as possible. I dont mean for the question to be directly about the previous post or even necessarily about poker. Greg [/ QUOTE ] In a sense I meant for this post to be about Opportunisim as well as the smaller question about playing against the mentally handicapped. If you found a $50 and a drivers license in a money clip on the ground would you take the $50? What if there was no chance of being caught? If there was no drivers licence but there was a note with a phone number attached would you? What if it was $1 million instead? I have started to question my motives about the ethics of playing poker. I dont mind playing against people who are mentally sound, but taking a handicapped persons money seems wrong, and yet I would do it. Greg
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#16
04-01-2005, 10:27 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
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In a sense I meant for this post to be about Opportunisim as well as the smaller question about playing against the mentally handicapped. If you found a $50 and a drivers license in a money clip on the ground would you take the $50? What if there was no chance of being caught? If there was no drivers licence but there was a note with a phone number attached would you? What if it was $1 million instead? I have started to question my motives about the ethics of playing poker. I dont mind playing against people who are mentally sound, but taking a handicapped persons money seems wrong, and yet I would do it. Greg [/ QUOTE ] There is HUGE difference between returning found money to its rightfull owner and taking someone's money by beating them at poker (if the person ismentally handicapped or not.) I would normally return money or a wallet that was lost or dropped somewhere because in all likely hood the person did not purposely leave the money there for someone else to find. However, if someone makes a conscious choice to play poker knowing they could easily lose whatever money they put at risk, then I have no problem taking their money as long as it was won honestly
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#17
04-01-2005, 11:12 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] In a sense I meant for this post to be about Opportunisim as well as the smaller question about playing against the mentally handicapped. If you found a $50 and a drivers license in a money clip on the ground would you take the $50? What if there was no chance of being caught? If there was no drivers licence but there was a note with a phone number attached would you? What if it was $1 million instead? I have started to question my motives about the ethics of playing poker. I dont mind playing against people who are mentally sound, but taking a handicapped persons money seems wrong, and yet I would do it. Greg [/ QUOTE ] There is HUGE difference between returning found money to its rightfull owner and taking someone's money by beating them at poker (if the person ismentally handicapped or not.) I would normally return money or a wallet that was lost or dropped somewhere because in all likely hood the person did not purposely leave the money there for someone else to find. However, if someone makes a conscious choice to play poker knowing they could easily lose whatever money they put at risk, then I have no problem taking their money as long as it was won honestly [/ QUOTE ] I would submit that playing against someone with a mental handicap is not so different from someone who accidently loses money on the street. If you forget that you left your wallet somewhere it is a mental mistake that resulted in you losing money. If a mentally handicapped person does not understand poker and makes an unintentional error by playing when they should not it is similar. I realize that the differnce is in the choice of to play or not. However a mentally handicapped person might not be of sound enough mind to make that choice. If that is the case then they might as well have forgotten their wallet on the street. Again, I dont mean to make this a discussion of any one situation. More about the issue of Opportunisim in general, and where you personally draw the line. I too would give back found money. However, there was a point in my life where I had less and probably would not have if the sum was large enough. Greg
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04-01-2005, 11:51 AM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
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However a mentally handicapped person might not be of sound enough mind to make that choice. If that is the case then they might as well have forgotten their wallet on the street. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you give mentally handicapped people enough credit. Many of them can fully understand the basic concepts of the game. As I said previously it comes down to if the person is aware of whether or not they are gambling. If the person has no clue that those clay disks they are putting on the table represent real money then no, they shouldn't be able to play. But if that person does realize that. Even if they had to have it explained to them, then I don't feel there is much difference between a mentally handicapped person who doesn't know the difference between a fullhouse and a flush and the normal fish who doesn't realize 83o is a bad hand to cold call a raise with. I don't think mentally handicapped people should or would even want to be treated any differently than anyone else at the table. So if you feel it is morally wrong to play poker against someone who you have such a large competitive advantage over than you shouldn't play poker against them. Regardless of what it is that gives you the advantage.
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04-01-2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: If you could ... would you?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] However a mentally handicapped person might not be of sound enough mind to make that choice. If that is the case then they might as well have forgotten their wallet on the street. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you give mentally handicapped people enough credit. Many of them can fully understand the basic concepts of the game. As I said previously it comes down to if the person is aware of whether or not they are gambling. If the person has no clue that those clay disks they are putting on the table represent real money then no, they shouldn't be able to play. But if that person does realize that. Even if they had to have it explained to them, then I don't feel there is much difference between a mentally handicapped person who doesn't know the difference between a fullhouse and a flush and the normal fish who doesn't realize 83o is a bad hand to cold call a raise with. I don't think mentally handicapped people should or would even want to be treated any differently than anyone else at the table. So if you feel it is morally wrong to play poker against someone who you have such a large competitive advantage over than you shouldn't play poker against them. Regardless of what it is that gives you the advantage. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe that is true. I would probably ask for a table change, if it were me. However, I would have to evaluate the situation once in it to be sure. Greg
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