What move to make?

bbaffert · #1 11-14-2005, 07:13 PM

I cannot quit running this hand over in my head. Does the hero have the right pot odds to call on the river and turn? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Will post the result after I get some unbiased feedback. I am always put in similiar situations and it would be extrememly helpful to know if I am good to call, raise or fold and what I should consider before doing any of these.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 ($8.40)
MP3 ($24.35)
CO ($27.65)
Button ($4.50)
SB ($4.30)
Hero ($21.30)
UTG ($5.77)
UTG+1 ($37.95)
UTG+2 ($26.45)
MP1 ($29.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $1.95, SB calls $1.70, Hero calls $1.70.

Turn: ($6.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $6.55, SB calls $2.10 (All-In),

#2 11-14-2005, 07:21 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion that every single one of your outs is live. If you think you have SB beat, then a push is looking pretty good. Actually, I think this is a good spot for one of those c-r a-i semi-bluffs I keep hearing about.

EDIT: Cancel that, SB will never fold here. I think you can value bet the river if an A or spade hits, and you can likely c/r if the 2 comes.

bbaffert · #3 11-14-2005, 07:35 PM

Here is what happened in this hand. I folded. I felt stupid when the spade I was wishing for fell and the all in small blind took it down with a weaker flush draw than I had. I am still wondering if I had good enough pot odds on the turn to call this. I feel the flop I was fine in calling the smallish wager but on the turn I am not sure. It does look like the thing to do in retrospect but was putting in the $6.55 call on the river the right move with just one card left to give me the nut flush

Hero folds.

River: ($15.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $15.50
Main Pot: $11.05, between MP3 and SB.
Pot 2: $4.45, returned to MP3.

Not sure why it did not show up but MP3 had Kd Qh for just a pair of Kings. The SB who called with a worse draw than what I had but for less money won with the flush of Qs 5s which I would have beaten if I would have called. It is good to see now but I am concerned if I should have called on the turn, raised or folded. Not sure what outs I could have counted and if the pot odds were good enough.

bbaffert · #4 11-14-2005, 07:42 PM

So I continue with another hand. Is there a difference in these? I had just lost with the previous one by folding so I was not gonna do that again.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($20.68)
BB ($26.45)
UTG ($21.30)
UTG+1 ($22.70)
UTG+2 ($14.30)
MP1 ($23.67)
MP2 ($15.35)
MP3 ($12.35)
CO ($31.90)
Button ($36.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Button calls $0.85, Hero (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3.40) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.25, MP2 folds, Button calls $3.25, Hero calls $3.25.

Turn: ($13.15) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12.5, Button folds, Hero calls $12.50.

River: ($38.15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB calls $9.85 (All-In), Hero calls $4.08 (All-In).

Final Pot: $52.08

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ks (two pair, kings and eights).
BB has 5h 5d (full house, fives full of eights).
Outcome: BB wins $52.08. 

Same questions, did I have the odds to call here or did I blow this one by calling? Could I have managed to win both of these or did I just do the right thing in this one and the wrong thing in the other and end up losing both when I could have split by playing both to the end. Any thoughts and what pot odds and outs I had on the turn and river would be very very helpful. PS- I also know I totally acted foolish calling on the river in this second example. I think it had to do with a bit of tilt from the other maybe.

4_2_it · #5 11-14-2005, 07:46 PM

I count 14 outs which means you needed a little more than 3-1 to make the call. If you felt that you could get MP all-in if you hit your draw then I think you have the implied odds to call it. With deeper stacks, you can probably make this call. As played, I think the fold is fine.