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Skillpoker Response to Inquiry on Anti-Collusion Measures
FWIW, response received a day after I sent inquiry (below)
--- Skillpoker Support <support@skillpoker.com> wrote: Dear Jayco, Thank you very much for your e-mail,and for voicing your concerns in a manner that allows us to respond toyou and the entire online poker community. SkillPoker.com (TM), like any pokerroom, online or off, is extremely concerned about the authenticity andsecurity of its poker room. Without this no player could feel confidentin playing at a particular site. I understand your foremost concernis with collusion between a set of players. This is something thathas been planned for since the outset of developing our patent pendingtechnology, and we have several layers built into our product to preventplayer collusion. At SkillPoker.com, we take a threepronged approach to prevent fraud of this nature: 1) Before the game even starts, we’re working to prevent collusion. a. Eachplayer is provided a unique identifier. This identifier is link toa massive amount of historical data which can be analyzed and linked toother players. Great lengths are made to prevent illegitimate accessto our system. b. Playersare not able to choose which table or table position they’d like to join. 2) Duringthe game there are measures implemented to prevent against player collusion. While I’d prefer not to divulge all of our methods, it should beobvious to see that the order in which the cards are dealt, the suits ofthe cards, or even the number of the cards need not be the same for eachtable or player in order to maintain the fundamentals of the SkillPokersystem. Moreover, this is not like traditionalpoker in that it takes a significant and set amount of time in order tocompete in our tournaments in comparison to a traditional poker table,where collusion can occur when and how the players choose it to be. Additionally,while fraud must never be permitted to occur, the nature of the tournamentfee structure prevents massive abuse to the players by limiting their potentiallosses. Additionally, it may not be economicallypractical to collude in the first place. This is especially the casein tournaments which involve a large number of tables and/or table groups. You must be aware that these SkillPoker tournaments can be configuredin so many different manners, that even without some of the measures eludedto above, collusion is impractical from a purely monetary point of view. 3) Lastly,during and after the players have completed the tournament there are significantchecks and balances in place such that colluding players are caught andnot allowed to benefit from their misdeeds. I encourage any playerconcerned about the authenticity of a tournament to e-mail our investigationsdepartment at abuse@skillpoker.com,and all matters will be dealt with in a diligent and efficient manner. I realize that we’re a new systemof playing poker in a well established traditional market, but as the onlinegaming community surely realizes the environment in which they operateis about to drastically change with the introduction of several piecesof legislation. We strive to make our poker system compatible withall of our players concerns and look forward to hearing from you. I’d urge anyone with a concernabout the system to e-mail us at info@skillpoker.com,and you will be replied to at the earliest possible convenience. Yours Truly, Mark Glusing President, SkillPoker.com Subject: Anti-Collusion Measures Message: To: SkillPoker support From: Concerned online poker community I plan on posting this inquiry as well as your reponse on several popularonline poker forums, including twoplustwo, rec.gambling.poker,and UnitedPokerForum. As I hope you are aware, one of the mahor threats to the Online Poker industryis its vulnerability to cheating and collusion. A large forum of onlinepoker players, while interested in the unique concept you site offers,are extremely concerned you have potentially failed to deal effectivelywith this problem. I am confident that Skillpoker.com, like other major online poker sites,has taken the appropriate steps to create both a secure site and a cutting-edgeRNG. These are not the concerns I am highlighting. The SkillPoker format is ideal for players to gain an unfair advantageby colluding. If hands are played in the same sequence and/or atthe same time for multiple tables, cheating players could effectively knowEXACTLY what hole cards and/or board cards will appear simply my conversingover the phone or through Instant Messaging. Let me provide a very simple HoldEm example: Colluding Cheater #1 (CC1) sits at Table A in seat #1 and receives Ace-Ace Colluding Cheater #2 (CC2) sits at Table B in seat #2 and receives King-King The flop appears for both table A and B: Ace-King-3 of three suits CC1 informs CC2 that seat #1 has 3 Aces The ramifications of this should be obvious. For your site to succeed, you will need to convince the public you canand will prevent this type of collusion. This is true particularly to themost frequent (and typically more informed) online pokers, as they willprovide the bulk of your play and generate the most potential revenue foryour venture. The online poker community looks forward to your reply. Regards, Jayco |
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Re: Skillpoker Response to Inquiry on Anti-Collusion Measures
Regarding skill poker is what makes them legal compared to other sites? Accoding to their website its because the "winners of tournaments are chosen by the way in which they play the traditional game of poker and not by chance. "
What does this mean??? it sound like how most poker rooms determines the winner. Or does it mean that when I'm outdrawing somebody else will I still be eliminated beacause it wasnt a sign of skill??? I'm really confused here... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Re: Skillpoker Response to Inquiry on Anti-Collusion Measures
Well, with that reassuring reply from the skill crew, no doubt the skill servers will be swamped with new players eager to finally have a chance to play and win and lose based on just their skill.
The growth pains skill poker likely has coming down the pipeline will make the partypoker reboot problems and ultimatebet upgrade down time look like kindergarden recess compared to the pain skill will likely have to endure to accommodate all their future growth. no? |
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Re: Skillpoker Response to Inquiry on Anti-Collusion Measures
the only way bad players can possibly be attracted to this server is if they happen to hit it first on a search engine looking for a poker website, and decide not to read all the blatant disclaimers. even then they likely would look for one with a different URL.
if this site doesn't go under soon (assuming no change in US law about overseas poker sites), i will be shocked. |
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Re: Skillpoker Response -- the condensed version of what they said
Trust us. The colluders won't be able to cheat you out of any more money than you deposit, and we might not give it to them anyway.
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Background...Mark Glusing skillpoker/pres.
ref: PKER(new symbol LPLE) SEC-10-K-File 5/19/03
Mark Glusing Mr. Mark Glusing is the President and acting CFO of the company. Mr. Glusing has a strong background in international business management and finance and previously was a director and the Chief Operating Officer of Immune Network Ltd., a publicly traded biotech company, and is a former director of BC Research Inc., a technology incubator based in Vancouver. Mr. Glusing recently resigned as a director of publicly traded Pan Asia Communications Inc. and currently is a director of 649.com Inc. and is President and a director of the Company's wholly owned Skill Poker.com. http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/prin...mp;symbol=LPLE ref: 649.com(ABET) SEC-10SB12G/A-File 9/10/03 MARK GLUSING - DIRECTOR, SECRETARY / TREASURER Mr. Glusing has a strong background in international business management and finance and until recently was a director and the Chief Operating Officer of Immune Network Ltd., a publicly traded biotech company. Mr. Glusing is currently a director of FITaccess Technologies Inc., AbNovo Pharma Inc. and is a former director of BC Research Inc. Mr. Glusing is currently President of Poker.com Inc. trading on the OTC.B.B. http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/prin...mp;symbol=ABET Mr. Mark Glusing is a 32 year-old life-long-ambition PENNY-STOCK-PROMOTER. What he might know of ANY intricacy regarding ANY aspect of the game of poker is highly suspect! cmwings/mrducks |
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Re: Skillpoker thank you, and whats really diferent.
After reading the info on the SP web site I get the impression that there is nothing illegal about online poker in the US. They have this story about an online gambler who was arested. I guess its a scare story but it's about as mimor a penalty as you can get and it actually made me more confident in the legality of online poker. So the story is this guy in north dakota became a pro sports gambler, and reported this on his taxes etcc. It said that this type of "offshore" betting is legal under federal law but in ND it wasn't, when he found out he moved and got a slap on the rist from the state. SO they should have a corner on the ND market but as for the rest of the us maybe not. But actually even the state law was only for wagers above 500$, so it is perfectly legal to make ofshore bets less than 500$.
So online poker is legal under federal law and cirtainly ok in one of the several states where poker is legal (and probably ok in ND too). ALso I don't really see why sp would be technically considered different and legal. first, poker in some states is already legally considered a game of skill and is legal. And even in the sp set up isn't there just as much room for fluxuation due to chance as in normal play. Say your other "group members" are losse argressive players, on many ocations they are going to beat you even though you will win in the end just like regular poker, although I'm wondering since it is just session wins that determine the winners not net gain, would a good players edge be smaller or not at all. Would you want to change your play since it doesn't matter how much you lose in a session if you do lose? although I guess this is similar to in a regular tournament. |
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Re: Skillpoker Response -- the condensed version of what they said
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Trust us. The colluders won't be able to cheat you out of any more money than you deposit, and we might not give it to them anyway. [/ QUOTE ] You read CEO-speak well [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] FWIW, I agree with CM that their claim that this is skill-based and therefore more "legal" than other online poker sites in the US is bunk. I also wasn't convinced by the reply - I won't be depositing $ any time soon. I was curious to hear what they had to say. So since they bothered to respond, I thought to be fair I should follow up with what I said I'd do and post thier reply so others could decide for themselves. J |
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Re: Skillpoker Response to Inquiry on Anti-Collusion Measures
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2) Duringthe game there are measures implemented to prevent against player collusion. While I’d prefer not to divulge all of our methods, it should beobvious to see that the order in which the cards are dealt, the suits ofthe cards, or even the number of the cards need not be the same for eachtable or player in order to maintain the fundamentals of the SkillPokersystem [/ QUOTE ] This is too funny... so, they're removing the luck factor by dealing the same hands at each table, oh, except for one thing... the suits and the ranks and the order don't have to be the same! Yeah, that's clear as mud [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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