Resteal by a solid opponent

durron597 · #1 08-07-2005, 06:20 PM

Normally this would be an insta muck. However, stack sizes.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t2388)
Button (t3081)
SB (t2443)
BB (t1245)
UTG (t2210)
MP (t2133)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t400, 2 folds, BB raises to t1245, Hero ???

tigerite · #2 08-07-2005, 06:21 PM

Drops it - fast.

Nick B. · #3 08-07-2005, 06:23 PM

I think it is a call. getting over 2-1 with KQ I think is ok, having him covered also helps since you can still rebuild if you lose the hand.

durron597 · #4 08-07-2005, 06:24 PM

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Drops it - fast.

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Look at my pot odds. This isn't nearly that obvious.

mlagoo · #5 08-07-2005, 06:26 PM

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Look at my pot odds. This isn't nearly that obvious.

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I call here every time. You're being offered 2:1 on a hand that is very rarely going to be worse than a 60-40 dog.

Apart from just looking at it via pot odds, there is also the "metagame" of showing that you were "stealing" with a reasonably strong hand, and that at the same time you won't back down from resteals.

Add to that the fact that you still have a legitimate chance of recovering if you lose the pot, I think this is a definite call.

tigerite · #6 08-07-2005, 06:27 PM

Yes, you have pot odds. But if you fold you still have 1900 and can go for another steal and still have 10bb if that fails, too. If you call this, you drop way down to ~1200 and all your future plays are gone. I really don't think it's worth it.

If I am in BB's position I love when people call with KQo in this position from a steal, as I usually have them dominated, and their 2:1 isn't in fact 2:1 at all. I really think pot odds are over-rated when it impacts on your ability to stack-build with a healthy amount of chips. I believe it's "letting go of some (probably only minor, too) EV here to gain more +EV possibilities later".

Shillx · #7 08-07-2005, 06:28 PM

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Look at my pot odds. This isn't nearly that obvious.

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If this were a cash game you would obviously call here. Since you need somewhat better odds to make this a +EV call, you are probably taking slightly the worst of it right now. However, since you can probably use these chips (if you win) to create bigger edges down the road, I feel like it is a call. Having the big stack here is worth a lot, and taking a small -EV race to obtain it is well worth it IMO.

Brad

11t · #8 08-07-2005, 06:30 PM

Call. I think if you fold here you are sending a bad image to the rest of your table and your opponent.

If you are not willing to call this I probably would fold preflop.

Nottom · #9 08-07-2005, 06:30 PM

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Yes, you have pot odds. But if you fold you still have 1900 and can go for another steal and still have 10bb if that fails, too. If you call this, you drop way down to ~1200 and all your future plays are gone. I really don't think it's worth it.

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1200 is still a reasonable stack of 8BBs. Obviously you are the shorty, but you still have plenty of FE to go with your stack. If you win on the other hand you have the additional leverage of being the big stack. The pots odds are good enough that I think this is a pretty easy call.

11t · #10 08-07-2005, 06:33 PM

I think SNG's are way too fast to fold here. The only hands you are afraid of are KK/AA. You are getting 2:1 so unless you KNEW they had AA/KK you are still getting odds to call. So what if you have 1200 chips, yes you aren't sitting well but you aren't dead yet.

If you aren't willing to call this push then fold preflop.