Live 3/6 -- Flopped Set

Live 3/6 @ Soaring Eagle Casino

Reads
UTG: Weak tight
Button: LAG, VERY aggresive postflop, normal preflop
SB: Loose passive
BB: Loose passive

Table Image
My table image is pretty agressive, 2 players at the table are regulars who know who I am and my play. The majority of the table is not giving me much respect.

Preflop
UTG limps, two players in MP limp, I'm CO with 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I raise, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, both players in MP fold.

Flop(6 BB)
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SB check, BB checks, UTG checks, I bet, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG raises, I call, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

I just called UTG check raise because, I don't think that by reraising him, I am going to drive any of the other opponents out. My plan was to call the flop check raise and jam a safe turn card.

Turn (11 BB)
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SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, I raise, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG caps, I call, Button calls.

I got my safe card, So I raise it up. The button's reraise is odd, could mean anything, my best guess is an OESD or a weak flush draw. UTG's cap was expected, and I put him on a smaller flopped set, A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10x, or 109. A smaller set being the most likely and probable. My plan is to jam the river if its a safe card, and if its a scare card, Im not sure what im going to do.

River (23 BB)
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UTG checks, I bet, Button raises, UTG calls, I call.

[censored] river. I just can't find it in myself to fold in a pot this big, and with the button being so LAG.

Final Pot (29 BB) Results to follow later.

Thoughts and comments on all streets are much appreciated. I think my preflop and turn play are standard. Flop and River commentary is mainly what I am looking for. Arguments for maybe raising the flop and check/calling and bet/folding the river. Thanks in advance.

[W. Deranged]

You're flop reasoning is wrong. The decision to reraise or not has nothing to do with "driving others out." You want players calling a lot of money here because you have a monster hand and tons of pot equity. So reraise the flop for value. And because you'll get more money in by three-betting than by raising a safe turn card, where you'll often shut out a lot of opponents.

Remember, top set isn't only the best hand here, it's also the best draw. You have redraws on all straights and flushes. Don't be scared and trying to shut out people who'd probably be wrong to call anyway. Milk those hands for all their worth. Flush draws aren't folding anyway.

[SoSo]

Gotta get your money in with the best of it on the flop, and then drag the massive pot u've made with all the fish.

[Jake (The Snake)]

I just want to say that the way your formatted the post and the way your provided your reads and thoughts is just awesome. This is like exactly how I would like everybody to post hands.

As for the hand, I would just keep betting and raising at every point on the flop and the turn because our equity is so high and there are so many people still in the pot providing overlay. I don't think the way you played it is terrible though.

I understand.

However, I was not re-raising becuase I wanted to keep people in the pot, but rather because I felt that no one was going to fold regardless, and with such a scary board and that many players in the pot, I felt that by just calling It was wiser considering the ammount of draws and people in the pot.

If there were less people in the hand, I would re-raise UTG's flop checkraise in a heartbeat.

Is this type of thinking fundamentally flawed?

Thoughts on the river?

"However, I was not re-raising becuase I wanted to keep people in the pot, but rather because I felt that no one was going to fold regardless"

I think this is flawed thinking. The fact that no one is folding is exactly why you want to three-bet. You probably have the best hand and you have a ton of outs to redraws. I think that had it been three handed or heads up, your line would have played better, but knowing that all these fish are calling any flop bets makes it a simple three-bet to me.

[W. Deranged]

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I understand.

However, I was not re-raising becuase I wanted to keep people in the pot, but rather because I felt that no one was going to fold regardless, and with such a scary board and that many players in the pot, I felt that by just calling It was wiser considering the ammount of draws and people in the pot.

If there were less people in the hand, I would re-raise UTG's flop checkraise in a heartbeat.

Is this type of thinking fundamentally flawed?

Thoughts on the river?

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This thinking is fundamentally flawed.

In general, when you have a large multiway pot, and you know that you absolutely have an equity edge in the pot NOW, it is imperative for you to get in as much money in as you can NOW, when you know you're winning and everyone else is giving you money.

If the turn is bad, so be it. Don't "wait to see a safe turn" here. You have enormous equity on the flop: cash it in!

The times you want to wait until the turn are when you have a MUCH WEAKER HAND. Namely, one where seeing a safe turn card will do a lot to define our equity in the hand.



For example, let's say instead of TT here (for top set) you had ATs (for TPTK). In that situation, I would absolutely say that the best line would be to call the check-raise and then raise a safe turn card. With that hand, you actually don't have a huge equity edge on the flop, because so many cards beat you and you have basically no redraws. Seeing a good turn card will greatly increase your equity.

With TT, you have tons of equity already. A safe turn card only slightly increases your equity. Jam the pot now.

Does that help?

[Greg J]

I 3 bet the flop everytime. I think that changes the dynamic of the hand on the later streets. I think WD explained it better than I could, but I pretty much agree with what he said entirely.

Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that out, I really appreciate it.

Any thoughts on the river haha

[W. Deranged]

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Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that out, I really appreciate it.

Any thoughts on the river haha

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River is absolutely a bet-call. You are not up against a flush so often to merit checking, in my opinion. Folding on the river is totally out of the question as you'll get raised by Aces up and worse hands easily enough to merit a call on the river. So call and expect to win reasonably often.