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11-07-2005, 04:17 PM
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What would you change about this play?
First of all, sorry if this is in the wrong forum or anything like that. Moving on...
I've been playing poker for about 10 months now, and I go to a B&M casino maybe once a month (twice when I have time). I play $1/2 no-limit cause I can't stand low-limit tables. I like to push in when I can win the hand, not have calling stations catch on the river. Anyway, I have 99 on the button. Everyone limps for $2 except for 1-2 people, and I raise to $7. Everyone except for the big blind and another middle position player folds. (I should note that I started the table with $60 total, these players both had at least 2-3 times what I had.) Flop comes 7-9-J rainbow. BB bets $5, middle position calls, I raise another $15 ($20 total). BB looks upset by this, but calls as though he'll regret it. Middle position calls. Turn is a Q. Both check, I move remaining chip stack of $16 all in. BB folds, middle position calls. I flip my trip nines, he flips over 10-K...straight to the K. River is some low junk card, the board doesn't pair up for me. Any suggestions on how I could have seen the 10-K coming? I figured one of them may have a 10, but I didn't assume someone would call a somewhat large raise for an inside straight draw. (After thinking about it though, he really needed either the 8 or the Q for a straight.) 
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#3
11-07-2005, 04:29 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
You could raise more preflop to get KT out, but if he's going to make such poor plays post flop, you want him in there. You make money when a guy makes plays that are that bad. Run that same hand 100 times and you make good money on the guy's call. Pay attention for next time to the guy's obvious mistake.
You have to push that hand. Don't suffer from results oriented thinking. You got unlucky, but played the hand very well. Watch the guy as the cards come for a reaction, he may tell you if he hit his inside str8 draw for the nuts.
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#4
11-07-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
Agree wtih Smoore, raise more preflop, I like to try and isolate with medium pocket pairs.
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#5
11-07-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
[ QUOTE ]
First of all, sorry if this is in the wrong forum or anything like that. Moving on... [/ QUOTE ] Small Stakes NL/PL forum is best... [ QUOTE ] I've been playing poker for about 10 months now, and I go to a B&M casino maybe once a month (twice when I have time). I play $1/2 no-limit cause I can't stand low-limit tables. I like to push in when I can win the hand, not have calling stations catch on the river. [/ QUOTE ] The last sentence does not provide great rational approach to the game. You need to rethink that strategy. [ QUOTE ] Anyway, I have 99 on the button. Everyone limps for $2 except for 1-2 people, and I raise to $7. Everyone except for the big blind and another middle position player folds. (I should note that I started the table with $60 total, these players both had at least 2-3 times what I had.) [/ QUOTE ] You should raise more here( like 12 or 14) if you are going to raise, but then you don't have that much in your stack so this may not be the best. With that many people limping and on the button. I would have possible just called depending on the quality of play. [ QUOTE ] Flop comes 7-9-J rainbow. BB bets $5, middle position calls, I raise another $15 ($20 total). BB looks upset by this, but calls as though he'll regret it. Middle position calls. [/ QUOTE ] Fine, but I would bet more... [ QUOTE ] Turn is a Q. Both check, I move remaining chip stack of $16 all in. BB folds, middle position calls. I flip my trip nines, he flips over 10-K...straight to the K. River is some low junk card, the board doesn't pair up for me. Any suggestions on how I could have seen the 10-K coming? I figured one of them may have a 10, but I didn't assume someone would call a somewhat large raise for an inside straight draw. (After thinking about it though, he really needed either the 8 or the Q for a straight.) [/ QUOTE ] Bad beat says what? -Gryph
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#6
11-07-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
this should be in the small stakes pot-limit & no-limit forum...
but anyway, depending on your game, I think your preflop raise should be slightly larger (if you are going to raise), but I don't know about $18-20. It depends on how much people are paying preflop at your casino. Anyway, after the flop, the pot is probably around $30 (given your description) and when it gets to you, it's $35 because of the $5 bet. You raise small to $20. Your opponent has to call $15 to try to win a $50 pot with a double gutshot draw (any 8 or Q gives him a str8). Especially at a low stakes NL table, even if you push for $36, he is likely to call. Given that you started with only $60, I think this is inevitable unless you raised larger preflop or maybe he can fold the flop if you push (but he probably won't).
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#7
11-07-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
I hate to say it, but 1/2 NL is low limit poker these days unless you are in a no cap game with deep stacks. If you want to get away from the donks, well there really is no limit that they are not there... So you are just going to have to deal with them.
You need to raise more than half the pot preflop (PF). A $7 raise is just not going to be really taken seriously. When the LITTLE feeler bet comes around to you on the flop you need to RR (reraise) a lot more. Frankly considering you stack, this is really a push or fold, especially if you raised PF to like $15-$20 and only have $40'ish behind. If the donk stays in the hand a busts you, be happy, pull another buy-in out and call for chips, you want that call.
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#8
11-07-2005, 04:42 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
You need to be buying in for more. 30BB at a casino game really isn't quite enough at a NL game. On top of it being difficult to play correctly with that short stack, you can't punish people for trying to draw to hands with that.
Firing $7 into a pot of $14 isn't really what you're looking to do in that situation. You've got a good hand and excellent position. Preflop is really the only time that I overbet the pot. I'd make it around $20. On the flop: Given your short stack, go ahead and push. I don't think it's a matter of seeing the K-10 coming, but rather driving him out. K-10 is my least favorite hand, but with a double gutted straight draw and an over, I'm probably calling that bet based on pot odds and the potential to stack you if I hit. Crappy beat man, I had a similar one this weekend.
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#9
11-07-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
Definitely raise more on the flop. Pot is probably about $20-25 after rake. BB and MP add $10 for $35 and you make it $55. BB gets just over 2.5:1 to call. Pot is now $70 and MP gets over 3.5:1 to call and needs 4.8:1 to call if he discounts the K as outs. Implied odds make it right for him to call your raise. You should have put your last $16 into the flop as well.
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#10
11-07-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: What would you change about this play?
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What would you change about this play? [/ QUOTE ]After the hand was over, you should have called him a donkey, then proclaimed that if it weren't for luck, you'd win every time.
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