(77) with four to a straight on board

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new math. it's so simple, only a kid can do it!

[ihardlyknowher]

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It's a 6:2 (or 3:1) proposition. This is 25%, right?

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No, it's 33%, since you have to win one time for every three times you lose.

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This is 4 times total. You need to win 1 in 4 times = 25%.

[pleyya]

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On the turn, you only need to be ahead >25% of the time for a calldown to be right.

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Actually you can be ahead a little less than 25 % since you have 4 outs that should be good.

[ElAnimal]

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but I believe they were TAGs, maybe TANs.

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2 TAGs limping one, two in EP?!? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm raising.

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Maybe I don't understand something about making that play. The reason I didn't raise was because the limpers were fairly tight and not overly passive. Since you indicated that the type of player had an impact on whether or not you raise in this spot, what type of limpers would keep you from raising?

[Lurkmaster Flex]

I don't see the value in calling this down. If you had an overpair yea, but you have 2nd pair and 3rd pair by the river. Even if he was donking something like a flush draw he is still capable of drawing out with something else, ie that king that hit. 40 hands isn't a "solid" read as people would say but .8 over 40 isn't helping me lean closer to a calldown. HU yea call down, but donking into 2 people, eh.

[ihardlyknowher]

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On the turn, you only need to be ahead >25% of the time for a calldown to be right.

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Actually you can be ahead a little less than 25 % since you have 4 outs that should be good.

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So I am not smoking crack on the math? Those guys had me second guessing myself.

[mscags]

I think I'm bailing on the turn here. I'm not sure if I even bet this flop. Usually when there is just one overcard to my PP I don't have a problem betting the flop, but when it is an ace and it is 4-6way action you can almost be assured someone is playing Ace crap, thats just me and could be weak tight [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[crunchy1]

When 2 TAGs limp in EP I'm raising to isolate them and expecting to take the pot down on many, many flops.

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what type of limpers would keep you from raising?

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I'd be more inclined to limp if they were the loose/passive/calling-station types that are going to showdown with a pair of 8's.

[pleyya]

no the math was right i think, if youre getting 3:1 (6:2) youll break even if you win one and lose three