(77) with four to a straight on board

ElAnimal · #1 06-22-2005, 10:45 AM

SB is 73/7/.89 after just 40 hands.
Who plays the turn differently? How about the river? Villain has been very passive so the stop'n go is a little alarming with four to a straight on board, though I've only seen him play 40 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Grease · #2 06-22-2005, 10:50 AM

Seeing as how he's LP, I fold the turn.

I got smoked by that last night (calling down a LP with a marginal hand.) If he's going something good enough to bet, I would fold.

crunchy1 · #3 06-22-2005, 11:28 AM

What were the UTG limpers like? I think I'm raising this PF.

ihardlyknowher · #4 06-22-2005, 11:36 AM

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SB is 73/7/.89 after just 40 hands.
Who plays the turn differently? How about the river? Villain has been very passive so the stop'n go is a little alarming with four to a straight on board, though I've only seen him play 40 hands.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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I would consider a preflop raise here, but I just learned this play the other day (QTip's pocket 8's on the Button hand - I know you remember that one).

I think the rest is fine. On the turn, you only need to be ahead >25% of the time for a calldown to be right.

ihardlyknowher · #5 06-22-2005, 11:38 AM

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Seeing as how he's LP, I fold the turn.

I got smoked by that last night (calling down a LP with a marginal hand.) If he's going something good enough to bet, I would fold.

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Read is only over 40 hands, and postflop aggression does not converge that quickly. Even if you get smoked 70% of the time here, the calldown is still +EV.

Fat Nicky · #6 06-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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I think the rest is fine. On the turn, you only need to be ahead >25% of the time for a calldown to be right.

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It's closer ro 33% to calldown.

ElAnimal · #7 06-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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What were the UTG limpers like? I think I'm raising this PF.

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Yeah that occured to me, especially after yesterday's 88 post. I'm at work so I don't have access to the hand, but I believe they were TAGs, maybe TANs.

ihardlyknowher · #8 06-22-2005, 11:56 AM

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I think the rest is fine. On the turn, you only need to be ahead >25% of the time for a calldown to be right.

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It's closer ro 33% to calldown.

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It's a 6:2 (or 3:1) proposition. This is 25%, right?

crunchy1 · #9 06-22-2005, 12:03 PM

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but I believe they were TAGs, maybe TANs.

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2 TAGs limping one, two in EP?!? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I'm raising.

chesspain · #10 06-22-2005, 12:03 PM

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It's a 6:2 (or 3:1) proposition. This is 25%, right?

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No, it's 33%, since you have to win one time for every three times you lose.