5's and 10's

Pirc Defense · #1 11-18-2002, 09:16 PM

A straight in HE has either a 5 or a 10, but not both. All else being equal, do hole cards holding a 5 or a 10 have more value?

Dynasty · #2 11-18-2002, 10:07 PM

No.

Trefo · #3 12-03-2002, 02:06 AM

No......but play that against me and raise preflop.

D.J. · #4 11-19-2002, 03:33 AM

I wouldn't think so, I was playing 4-8 w/this guy and he told me that he always plays 5-10 b/c you can't make a straight w/o it. Why would it matter the board will contain the 5 or 10 most of the time anyway. Besides, you shouldn't go into a hand just looking to make a 1-card straight w/5 or 10, just play good cards, and if you make a straight, be happy if it holds up.

-D.J.

#5 12-01-2002, 02:23 AM

If that's what Josh meant, and if there was any value to playing a 5-10, then wouldn't we play the J4 offsuit so that we increased the number of flushes we could make from one to two? Would we fault the pocket TT because we would be limiting the number of quads we could draw to? This is the kind of logic I'd like to see more of.

DisRdatMan

#6 12-01-2002, 02:27 AM

.

Josh W · #7 11-19-2002, 07:04 AM

But not much. There's a reason why A5 is better than A6 (and many reasons why AT is better than A9)

Josh W

Dynasty · #8 11-19-2002, 06:00 PM

You're using examples which distort the issue. A5 and AT make straights using both cards.

A5 is marginally better than A6. However, K6 is better than K5. The same goes for Q6 vs. Q5, J6 vs. J5, and T6 vs. T5.

Josh W · #9 11-20-2002, 03:05 AM

I didn't say it was a lot better. I believe there are other examples, as well (T6 vs J6). But you agree with me. A5 is better than A6, for the very same reason that the original author discussed.

Josh

Dynasty · #10 11-20-2002, 03:24 AM

I believe there are other examples, as well (T6 vs J6)

All you are doing is saying that hands which can make a straight using both cards are slightly better than hands with a slightly better kicker but can't make a straight using both cards. That has nothing to do with saying a hand has more value because it has a Ten or 5 in it.