Flopped trips, action from BB.

#1 12-06-2005, 05:46 PM

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (8 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Should I just call his raise here or is a 3-bet good?

River: (13.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

I chicken out here. He is probably sitting on a 9 too and the only hands I beat are now 92,93,94,97 and 98. Sure, it sounds like something he can have but judging from the action on the other streets im not sure.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB.

Line check? My conclusion is that I should have slowed down on the turn right?

Aaron W. · #2 12-06-2005, 06:05 PM

Unless BB is a little crazy aggro, I think I slow down when he raises again on the turn. I think even a moderately dumb player would recognize that you might have trips after you bet into him after he capped the flop.

jrz1972 · #3 12-06-2005, 06:08 PM

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My conclusion is that I should have slowed down on the turn right?

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Right. Most of the time, villain is going to show you A9 or 55.

Eeegah · #4 12-06-2005, 06:10 PM

^^^^^^^^ Villain checked from BB; his range is much bigger than that.

I'm either slowing down at the turn 3-bet or check/calling the river. I'd be interested in arguments why one would be better than the other.

jrz1972 · #5 12-06-2005, 06:12 PM

Personally, I would not have 3-bet the turn. Like Aaron W said, Hero has done everything short of taking out full page ad in Card Player to tell villain that he has trips or better, but villain is still in there blasting away. He's not afraid of trips.

tyler_cracker · #6 12-06-2005, 06:15 PM

How about a c/r on the turn? That way, we can just call down if he 3-bets, but if he's going nuts with a badass slowplayed AA or something, we still get 2 bets in on the turn.

Thebram · #7 12-06-2005, 06:17 PM

...grunch...

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Line check? My conclusion is that I should have slowed down on the turn right?

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I dont think slowing down on the turn is necessary. But I definitely would have check/called the river after he capped the turn.

jrz1972 · #8 12-06-2005, 06:24 PM

I think a slowplayed overpair is significantly less likely than something that has us beat.

Villain obviously has something that he thinks is really good. Unless he's a total retard, he's not playing this way with A5 or 88. He either has the case J (in which case our hand may or may not be good depending on villain's kicker) or he has 55, or he has an overpair. At least in my experience, against the typical unknown at this level the order of likelihood is probably

1. Some J
2. 55
(dropoff)
3. Big overpair

Thebram · #9 12-06-2005, 06:30 PM

Villain: "Hero bet out, there's no way he has a 9, so my {66,77,88,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA, 92, 93, 94, 96, 97, 98, 9T} HAS to be good here"

I agree that there is some drop-off in likelihood, but just because a .50/1 party-player caps the flop, I'm not fearing the worst just yet.

The turn action, however, is worrisome.

jrz1972 · #10 12-06-2005, 06:35 PM

Oh yeah I'm definitely leading the turn.

IMO, the interesting decision is whether to 3-bet the turn. Personally I don't think so, but I could see an argument for sticking in one more raise. I really do not want to see a cap, however.

The way the hand played out, the river decision is not interesting either. Leading the river after you get capped on the turn is spewage. The turn 3-bet is the interesting point in the hand, at least the way I see it.