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#11
09-13-2005, 06:08 PM
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Re: Job Offer
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It depends how old you are, do you have a family, and what kind of job it is? 100k+/year is a pretty nice salary so I'm assuming you're older and/or have very specialized skills. [/ QUOTE ] Bt what if I can make 100k playing cards? [/ QUOTE ] This should be an easy easy decision. Take the job, make 100K+ and play cards for an extra 50K. You can't honestly be thinking of passing up a sure thing. C'mon now. [/ QUOTE ] The thing is he already quit this same sure thing because he hated it. He's got a family so I hope he seriously considers going back, buts it's not a slam dunk by any means. Best of luck making the right decision. 
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#12
09-13-2005, 06:09 PM
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Re: Job Offer
He can think of passing it up if he thinks he will be borderline miserable at the job and/or will also miss the freedom one has by JUST playing poker for income.
Not to come off as whiney or anything...but I think we all know that getting up at 6:30 or 7:00am to make the morning commute to work just SUCKS....and that MANY people would relish the opportunity to do just that (not to mention that you're just playing a freaking game for a living...which can be both good and bad). Also - not to be a smart-ass or anything...but Sublime's approach is a reasonable one. Yes...it's a difficult decision and will greatly effect your future (but a LOT of decisions will effect your future). It's only life...you only get one of them. Relax and just go ahead and do whichever feels right. If you think you could get this offer again in the future if you asked then that is something to throw into the equation too. When you consider the number of displaced folks from New Orleans and Biloxi or lost their houses and cars...as well as all the other folks around the world (3rd world included of course) with various problems then I think the 'dilemma' of "should I make $100k at location-A or should I make $100k at location-B" will hopefully not come off as QUITE so stressful and difficult. Just go one direction or the other...Deliberate and consider and weigh the pros and cons and then decide. Also - there's no 'hoping' you made the 'right decision'. There's nothing you can do now to 'know' whether or not it is right. If you decide to turn down the job and then poker goes belly-up then that's how it goes. Same way if you decide to take the job...decide that the 7am commute everyday is really destroying your soul (which is a MAJOR consideration I believe) and see that you probably could have made even more playing poker. FWIW - If someone offered me a job that paid a nice salary and did NOT require 50+ hour weeks at the office (as many office jobs do) and I thought I would enjoy it then I would STRONGLY consider taking it. The most important part for me would be the flexibility, hours involved, and the enjoyment factor. I can always go back to poker if I decide the job sucks. And if poker falls apart then I can just stick it out at the job even if I hate it. I don't recall deathvalley's age and/or family/situation myself. But obviously these are considerations too. Good luck in your decision. Also - when I first started playing online 'for income part-time' I was a blackjack dealer making a really piddly wage. I was able to cut back on my hours at 'work' as my success online grew. I went from 45 hours to 35 hours to 25 hours a week pretty much. I doubt your job offer would allow the flexibility of hours that mine does (where I could always sign the 'early-out' sheet where the extra dealers get to go home early as the tables dry-up....or I could just trade or dump-off shifts). but if there's room to just take the job 'semi parttime' then that might be worth considering as well (of course...that would like mean no health-benefits unfortunately). Mostly I like the flexibility. I don't have to mark a specific weekend on my calendar 2 months in advance and turn it into my employer to 'request off on those days' and then get some guilt-trip about how everything is going to be REALLY busy that weekend and they really can't afford to lose me...etc etc. maybe pm a guy like bisonbison who got REALLY tired of the online-grind and went job-huntng on his own....and just stew on it for a day or two...go out for a couple drinks with friends and talk it out a little bit.
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#13
09-13-2005, 06:15 PM
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Re: Job Offer
Would love to be in this position. My poker is OK, but many moons away from paying a salary. Anyway. My thoughts:
1) You don't say what the job is.. you must have some sort of an idea. Is it going to enrich your life in any way or just provide a steady income? 2) You clearly enjoy the freedom that online poker gives you.. could you really go back to working for 'the man' (as I do now - it can suck). 3) Or, do you miss working with other people. I am making the assumption that making a living from online poker is a fairly solitary existence. I couldn't do it. 4) Yes, the bottom will fall out of online poker in the next couple of years, as soon as all the potential players have been cleaned out. Do you move now and miss out on potential earnings and take this job? Or, could you use your skills elsewhere? Another 'skill based' game perhaps. Blackjack, chess.. whatever the next online thing will be... and I think there will be another online thing. Anyway, more questions than answers here so apologies for that. Good luck to you, whatever you decide to do. Remember... You've got to know when to hold 'em. You've got to know when to fold 'em.
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#14
09-13-2005, 06:27 PM
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Re: Job Offer
Interesting dilemma.
I can't imagine what this is like, since there is no way anyone is going to pay me $250,000+ per year that I can earn by playing poker without a college degree. That said, if I found someone willing to pay me that much, I would at least strongly consider taking it. But I also LOVE the freedom entailed with poker and it makes my life about 1000% better. When/if I stop doing this whole poker grind, I have a hard time imagining myself doing anything but starting my own business. I just dread the thought of getting up at 7am and going to work for a boss... ugh. But everyone is different and you have a family to consider. I would just feel like part of my soul is dying if I did that.
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#16
09-13-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: Job Offer
1) Can you work 1 or 2 dasy a week from home? Try to get that in there.
2) See what they have to say and how much they want to give you. 3) How about flexible hours, say ... 7 am to 2. You could be home in time to moonlight 8 hours online.
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#18
09-13-2005, 06:54 PM
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Re: Job Offer
From what I recall from your previous posts, this was a top tier wall street firm that screwed around with you as to when they'd move you up to a position you deserved. I don't know what the new job is, but the salary potential of those places is huge after a couple years at a real position. I also seem to recall that your old job had something to do with the trading floor, which has reasonable hours. If the new one is along those lines (I'm assuming that its a step up, otherwise you wouldn't be asking), then I'd guess the hours are bearable. So its not like you'd be working a 90 hour week. Also, if you have any interest in business school, this will help you get into a really good one. I don't think you have much to lose by taking the job if you're still pretty young. You know you can do very well in poker, and that will always be there, even if the games tighten up. I'd be thinking about taking it, doing it for 5-10 years, and retiring. You can always play poker. My .02.
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#19
09-13-2005, 06:59 PM
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Re: Job Offer
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This should be an easy easy decision. Take the job, make 100K+ and play cards for an extra 50K. You can't honestly be thinking of passing up a sure thing. C'mon now. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Its a sure thing, true..... I am sure I will not be as happy as I am now, but the current environment is not guaranteed to be the same in the future </font> [ QUOTE ] Let's see, be at work at 8:00 vs. get up when you want to. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> This one is huge! I used to wake up at 530 and be in the office by 7 after an hour bus commute, not sure exactly what the hours would be with this, but Id assume very close as it involves trading commodity futures which start trading at 8 est. </font> [ QUOTE ] If you think you could get this offer again in the future if you asked then that is something to throw into the equation too. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> I doubt it, I could get something similar, but as this type of position goes, this is one of the better opportunities </font> [ QUOTE ] 1) You don't say what the job is.. you must have some sort of an idea. Is it going to enrich your life in any way or just provide a steady income? [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Along the lines of stock broker assistant </font> [ QUOTE ] 2) You clearly enjoy the freedom that online poker gives you.. could you really go back to working for 'the man' [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> I certainly can, I also certainly wont like it as much as being my own boss </font> [ QUOTE ] 3) Or, do you miss working with other people. I am making the assumption that making a living from online poker is a fairly solitary existence. I couldn't do it. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> No biggie, I like real people, but people in the corporate world tend to be rather fake </font> [ QUOTE ] 4) Yes, the bottom will fall out of online poker in the next couple of years, as soon as all the potential players have been cleaned out. [/ QUOTE ] Speculation, but def. a possibility [ QUOTE ] But I also LOVE the freedom entailed with poker and it makes my life about 1000% better [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Word! </font> [ QUOTE ] 1) Can you work 1 or 2 dasy a week from home? Try to get that in there. 3) How about flexible hours, say ... 7 am to 2. You could be home in time to moonlight 8 hours online. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Flex anything isnt really an option </font> [ QUOTE ] I think you really needs to tell us what the job is. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> See Above </font> [ QUOTE ] I don't know what the new job is, but the salary potential of those places is huge after a couple years at a real position. I also seem to recall that your old job had something to do with the trading floor, which has reasonable hours. If the new one is along those lines (I'm assuming that its a step up, otherwise you wouldn't be asking), then I'd guess the hours are bearable. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Yes, if there wasnt the potential for a lot of money I would surely not even have a dilema. Also, while the hours are not too bad, I have to factor in about 3 hours a day commuting, and it is also an early start as we would not only be trading the equity markets </font> [ QUOTE ] I don't think you have much to lose by taking the job if you're still pretty young. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> Any time you give up being your own boss, and the ability to work whenever you want, to go work for the man you are giving up a lot, the question is rather.... What wwill I be gaining? </font>
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