First 5 SnG's at 10+1

skirtus · #1 07-19-2004, 09:16 AM

Just wanted to say thanks for the advice. I was playing $5+1 SnG's at Paradise and moved to the $10+1 SnG's at Party. I placed 1st 2x , 3rd 1x, 4th 1x, and 5th 1x. I definitely could have played better but think I can be a winning player at this level. Im going to track 100 SnG's over the next few weeks and see if I can log a good ROI.

HighStack · #2 07-19-2004, 09:41 AM

Hey Skirtus::::: Let me know how you do with your 10+1's on Party, I'm playing at the exact same level on the same site. Took a step down from the 55+5's because I was doing very well, then started doing very poor and losing what I worked hard for. Decided to step down to less money S&G's and to keep reading poker books and discuss past plays and new fundementals with my sucessful friend who got me into this. (He's way above my level...$41,000 profit in less than 7 months)

Anyway, e-mail me if you wanna play at the same table sometime and discuss the results afterward, it's good learning.

later, Mike G. HighStack@verizon.net

Jason Strasser · #3 07-19-2004, 10:24 AM

This forum needs to get together and write a really general post that can be visible to all at the top of the page. Like a "Things you should know" about One-Table tourneys. Like really general bankroll requirements, keeping records and what types of sample sizes you need to draw conclusions, very general plays (10x BB all-in/fold), etc. I think it would help out people new to this forum a great deal, instead of having the same group of regulars echo out very similar advice.

Skirtus, 5 sngs are 5 sngs. Great job so far, but you can't draw any conclusions about your progress, because anything can happen in 5 sngs. Once you've played 100 or so, we may be able to see general trends and such, yet you'd have to play a much larger size than even 100 to calculate your ROI with <5% confidence.

HighStack · #4 07-19-2004, 10:35 AM

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This forum needs to get together and write a really general post that can be visible to all at the top of the page. Like a "Things you should know" about One-Table tourneys. Like really general bankroll requirements, keeping records and what types of sample sizes you need to draw conclusions, very general plays (10x BB all-in/fold), etc. I think it would help out people new to this forum a great deal, instead of having the same group of regulars echo out very similar advice.

Skirtus, 5 sngs are 5 sngs. Great job so far, but you can't draw any conclusions about your progress, because anything can happen in 5 sngs. Once you've played 100 or so, we may be able to see general trends and such, yet you'd have to play a much larger size than even 100 to calculate your ROI with <5% confidence.

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I think I actually did better at the $55 dollar sng's...the 10's are harder because the players aren't as good, so their methods of meyham are ofter unpredictable compared to the more expreience crowd. (IMO)

Jason Strasser · #5 07-19-2004, 10:39 AM

Man this is crazy talk, no offense.

There is no way around this. The players at a $10 SNG are much worse then players at the $50 level. Although there may be more variance at the $10 level, any normal player who plays ABC poker will have a MUCH higher ROI at the $10 level then the $50 level. Why would you ask for tougher players? The odds of having 2-3 more competent people at a $50 sng are much higher. Don't you want the crazies at your table?

skirtus · #6 07-19-2004, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the feedback. I do realize that 5 SnGs does not determine much about how well Ill fair at the 10+1 SnGs. Was just testing the waters and liked the results so far. They level of play at the 10+1 Party is not much better than the 5+1 Paradise. I look forward to playing a larger sample size and posting my results. I'm just excited about playing these SnG's. Up $225 by playing 7 $5 and 7 10$ SnGs. Im probably too optimistic about my long term win rate at these levels. Im sure 100-300 SnGs will bring me down to earth quickly.

HighStack · #7 07-19-2004, 10:50 AM

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Man this is crazy talk, no offense.

There is no way around this. The players at a $10 SNG are much worse then players at the $50 level. Although there may be more variance at the $10 level, any normal player who plays ABC poker will have a MUCH higher ROI at the $10 level then the $50 level. Why would you ask for tougher players? The odds of having 2-3 more competent people at a $50 sng are much higher. Don't you want the crazies at your table?

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What's crazy talk? I don't play ABC poker anymore so maybe your comment wasn't for me??? Not sure....anyway...

I'd rather play with better players because they THINK before doing. If I'm playing with people that don't know what they are doing and why, in no way does it match my thought process before I make my move on them sometimes. That can throw my whole game off is all I'm saying.

mackthefork · #8 07-19-2004, 10:53 AM

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I think I actually did better at the $55 dollar sng's...the 10's are harder because the players aren't as good, so their methods of meyham are ofter unpredictable compared to the more expreience crowd. (IMO)

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LOL, I have never played a 50+5 but this is the sort of nonsense i might have come out with once upon a time. It's basically silly.

Regards ML

Jason Strasser · #9 07-19-2004, 11:06 AM

Being a good poker player, especially a sng player, is really about one thing: Adjustments.

You adjust to weaker opponents. You adjust to tight opponents. When the blinds go up, you adjust. When the number of players goes down, you adjust. When you find a type of hand that is hurting you over a large number of games (used to be 77-JJ for me), you adjust and change the way you play them.

If you are playing complicated poker, making calculated bluffs, and trying to push and bully 10+1 SNG players off hands, you have a flaw in your game. The bottom line is, they aren't going to think about their hands as much, and they aren't going to try to put you on a hand very often.

Adjust, you SHOULD be playing ABC poker at the 10+1 level, especially when the blinds are low.

Adjust to the level of competition, and listen to yourself, why would you want to play with better people? Because they think about their hands, when 10+1 players dont?

Please,
-Jason

dfscott · #10 07-19-2004, 11:27 AM

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This forum needs to get together and write a really general post that can be visible to all at the top of the page. Like a "Things you should know" about One-Table tourneys. Like really general bankroll requirements, keeping records and what types of sample sizes you need to draw conclusions, very general plays (10x BB all-in/fold), etc. I think it would help out people new to this forum a great deal, instead of having the same group of regulars echo out very similar advice.

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I agree 100%. For example, I'm just starting out and I'm not sure whether I should be playing PS 5+0.50, PS 6+0.50 or PP 10+1 (or if it even matters).