how careful?

#1 12-02-2005, 02:48 AM

Made me nervous on the river when a second Q came up. How would you play it?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (20.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls $0.25 (All-In), BB calls.

River: (27.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

????

Final Pot: 27.20 BB

albedoa · #2 12-02-2005, 02:53 AM

Uh...BB is first to act, so I'd wait until he bets or checks. Then betting or checking is usually based on my read.

Shillx · #3 12-02-2005, 02:58 AM

I would call if he bets and check if he doesn't. I'm guessing that he will be betting and we will be losing, but you never know. At this point I would be hoping for a chop chop though KT would be a miracle at this point IMO. Even if he has AQ we are now behind so this certainly doesn't look good for us.

Augster · #4 12-02-2005, 03:04 AM

grunch

I don't really like the limp from UTG. Raise or fold. But since you did....

I like every street. Of course, it's not really hard to hit the raise button with the nuts. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

River. I either call a bet, or check behind. I think I just want to show this down for cheap now, and there really isn't a side pot to defend. I think there are too many hands that beat you now.

imported_leader · #5 12-02-2005, 06:45 AM

Call if he bets.

jakbse · #6 12-02-2005, 08:14 AM

grunch
I'd just call the bet that obviously will come from BB

AlmightyJay · #7 12-02-2005, 08:17 AM

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Made me nervous on the river when a second Q came up. How would you play it?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (20.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Button folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls $0.25 (All-In), BB calls.

River: (27.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

????

Final Pot: 27.20 BB

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You have GOT to fold preflop when it's two bets back to you.

Flop and turn are good, but BB is definitely playing like he's got a set. In fact, the only hand I could see you possibly being ahead of is AJ, which is pretty unlikely given the preflop action. Still, getting 28:1, I think you have to make a crying call on the river. There's probably a really tiny chance he's got some bizarre holding here.

#8 12-02-2005, 08:18 AM

Umm first off, I never limp UTG and I absolutely never limp UTG with K10s. It's either a raise or fold but since you now decide to just call and there is a raise and a 3 bet before it's your turn again, I would fold here.

Nothing else to say about the other streets, its just to press the raise button.

I check behind or call the river. That Q probably made someone a Full House since AA, JJ or AQ isn't impossible at all.

I think you are definately ahead of MP2 since his betting pattern don't tell me AA, JJ or AQ. With his last few remaining chips he would 3-bet the turn. I think he had his mind to go all the way this hand after the flop because he dont have so much chips left. He can have anything but I sense weekness in the turn call, we are ahead of him.

Check/Call or check behind on the river even tho I am interested in making a bet if he checks to me since I think we are ahead of MP2.

AlmightyJay · #9 12-02-2005, 08:21 AM

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Umm first off, I never limp UTG and I absolutely never limp UTG with K10s. It's either a raise or fold but since you now decide to just call and there is a raise and a 3 bet before it's your turn again, I would fold here.

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FWIW, SSH recommends limping UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2 with any two suited cards ten or higher, even in a tight game.

#10 12-02-2005, 08:37 AM

Umm ok, I prefer to only do it in position with a crappy hand like K10s unless I decide to raise and make a stronger image of my hand than it actually is. Works better for me and I don't use SSH as my bible.