Do you push here?

brizzypare · #1 02-19-2005, 09:07 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

BB (t540)
UTG (t405)
MP1 (t1735)
MP2 (t890)
CO (t1265)
Button (t2670)
Hero (t495)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero ???

Is this an easy push?

silversurfer · #2 02-19-2005, 09:14 PM

Why would you? That is a less than average hand. The median is Q8, I believe (and I wouldn't push with that here either. Wait until the next time you get Ax, suited connectors, or broadway cards at the very least given the situation you have described.

brizzypare · #3 02-19-2005, 09:37 PM

I read somewhere that all in in the SB with < 8 BB was profitable with any two random cards. Was I using this wrong?

Phil Van Sexton · #4 02-19-2005, 09:38 PM

I push with any 2 cards.

robokop · #5 02-19-2005, 09:40 PM

I think you mean < 8 BB. And I'm unsure of the truth of the argument.

I wouldn't push here.

adanthar · #6 02-19-2005, 09:41 PM

This fully depends on the BB. If he's an idiot, no. If he's seemed reasonable, push 32o.

eastbay · #7 02-20-2005, 01:14 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

BB (t540)
UTG (t405)
MP1 (t1735)
MP2 (t890)
CO (t1265)
Button (t2670)
Hero (t495)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero ???

Is this an easy push?

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Easy push, IMO, even for a fairly loose BB. The reason is that you increase your equity a great deal (ICM estimates >1/3) when you pick up the blinds here.

For a reasonably tight BB, 32o is an easy push:

So, I think Phil hit the mark here, as usual. You can quibble about the equity values here, but I think it gives the correct ordering, which is all you need to make these decisions.

eastbay

PS The screenshots are a program I'm developing that is not released yet, to respond to the usual follow-up.

lastchance · #8 02-20-2005, 01:36 AM

For me, yeah.

morgan180 · #9 02-20-2005, 02:19 AM

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I push with any 2 cards.

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i agree - push away.

morgan180 · #10 02-20-2005, 02:19 AM

eastbay, that thing looks ridiculous (as in ridiculously impressive)