Dealers most hated and stiff report

[kchammer]

hey masonmom what is the difference between a Canadian and a canoe???

[pokernicus]

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Generally the higher the limit someone plays the less they tip (not a lower per centage, less on absolute terms). In most high limit games if there isnt' something built in for the dealer the dealer gets nothing.

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This doesn't surprise me for two reasons. First, as you increase the limit, you're more likely to have people who play poker for a living (or who derive a substantial portion of their income from poker playing). It would seem that such players are not going to be inclined to give away money while at work, so to speak (in much the same way that I don't tip the IT support guy at my company when I have a problem with my computer and he comes to fix it...) I treat him respectfully, and hope that he helps out when I need it.

Second, people usually hand the dealer one of the chips in the pot as a tip. That's not so unreasonable in a $4-$8 game where $1 chips are often in play. In the bigger games, they are playing with larger chips, and you are probably not going to get a $1,000 chip as a tip for a single hand.

I honestly don't think anyone has the right to treat another human being like crap. But, I also don't believe that dealers should feel _entitled_ to tips. Players can give them at their own discretion. If a player is generous enough to give a tip, that should be appreciated, but not expected. Players are already paying a lot in rake, etc. The cardroom/casino makes a substantial amount from these players. If they are not passing enough of their (huge) profits on to dealers, then the dealers should either take this up with the casino/cardroom or consider another better-paying profession.

[pokernicus]

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This is why I will rake $10 for each pot you win. Its not good for me but the casino loves it. If you dont like it, go to another casino.

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So let me get this straight:

1) you feel screwed because you don't make enough money.
2) the players give a substantial amount of money in the form of rake to the casino.
3) The casino, in turn, keeps most of the money as profit and pays what you consider to be a "relatively" small amount -- effectively being the ones who screw you.

So, you decide to give the entity that screws you (i.e., the casino) more money, and take that money from the person who provides the casino with it's income (i.e., the player)?

That's got to be up there on the nastiness scale. And you complain that some of the players are mean?

Well, whatever helps you sleep well at night...

[thetman]

This thread shows what miserable people a lot of poker players truly are...how despicable. And they wonder why they don't get many good dealers. It's because they don't deserve them. AND NO I'M NOT A DEALER...just a decent human being.

[MonkeeMan]

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no they want a buck every time...they expect top make $50+ an hour. That unreasonable for a job that a monkey can do.
They don't even shuffle any more. I suggest tipping $.50 every other hand..,if you don't like it get another job!

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Cough up a buck you cheap bastard.

[StevieG]

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So, you decide to give the entity that screws you (i.e., the casino) more money, and take that money from the person who provides the casino with it's income (i.e., the player)?

That's got to be up there on the nastiness scale.


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And possibly the stupidity scale, too. The decision is to give the casino money from the people that provide the tips. Yes, overraking that one pot screws the person that did not tip, but once that money is off the table it's off, and not any of the other players can win it and return it as a tip, either.

<font color="white">Why am I even posting to a tipping thread? Tipping threads suck.</font>

[accountant71]

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This is why I will rake $10 for each pot you win. Its not good for me but the casino loves it. If you dont like it, go to another casino.

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So let me get this straight:

1) you feel screwed because you don't make enough money.
2) the players give a substantial amount of money in the form of rake to the casino.
3) The casino, in turn, keeps most of the money as profit and pays what you consider to be a "relatively" small amount -- effectively being the ones who screw you.

So, you decide to give the entity that screws you (i.e., the casino) more money, and take that money from the person who provides the casino with it's income (i.e., the player)?

That's got to be up there on the nastiness scale. And you complain that some of the players are mean?

Well, whatever helps you sleep well at night...

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I do lose a little sleep over it. I sleep 12 hours a day and if I didnt double rake the stiffs, I would sleep 14 hours.

[kchammer]

I saw farha spit in a dealers face. I saw it. I would of killed him if he did it to me. Harmon is a control freak, Todd Brunson well he,s very unlikeable. I tell you all the players should model Barry Greinstien He has tipped me only one time but he is very nice person.. Read His book ace on the river on who should be tipped and why. I think he has it right. Oh by the way In tournamnets there is 3% from prize pool for the dealers, LOL after being robbed by the floor men and the toke committee there is very little left.The remainder is devided by the number of downs total then given to the dealers. Tips at the end of a tounament help to increase the downs to a reasonable number. Like if downs were $10 why would any dealer deal a tourney. In a live game a poor dealer can put out 15 hands of 10 would usualy tip a dollar . Tournament dealers usualy have to pay to travel pay for hotel be away from home for 3 to 4 weeks at a time. Alot of players think they can deal but let me ask you, can you handle a big game like a 300/600 500/1000 or the big game 2000/4000 one mistake could cost a player a ton of real money. Good dealers arent everywhere. I know it is brain surgery but it does have some skill and a lot of thought to be a good dealer. Did i mention all the games you have to know and the procedures of the games such as duce to 7, ace to 5, high lo regular, stud 8 or better, stud, chineese poker , omaha hi , omaha 8 or better, pot limit, holdem is the only game played at most casions. Mixed games is the choice of most big games. Most of you have never heard or seen it , 7 games 8 hands each some ante some flop games. procedure on all gmaes is differnt. Some one stated above that a monkey could deal it, I doubt it, some of the best players cant even pitch a card . security of the game is another thing. awnser to masonmom a canoe TIPS!!!

[Randy_Refeld]

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Dealers still make enough and thats exactly why there is so much demand for these jobs

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From what I have observed there is a shortage of dealers becasue they don't make enough.

The many dealers I have personally known in the past 15 years make around $35k-$45k a year. All of these dealers admit to losing $15k-$20k each year due to various gambling activities. So, yes, everyone should tip liberally because I’m sure it’s hard to live off of $25k a year.