Marginal Hand #3 Bad call here? - Page 2

Zoelef · #11 04-14-2005, 12:25 PM

Easy call; I give you ~5 outs between discounting the 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and noting the BD flush draw.

jrz1972 · #12 04-14-2005, 12:32 PM

Okay I'll be honest and admit I would have folded this preflop. I would not pay 1 SB to play T8s UTG, so I'm not real eager to pay 1.5 SBs to play that same hand from even worse position.

Given that I'm still in the hand, this looks like an easy call on the flop, even with the two flush out there.

Knowing how marginal hands #1 and #2 have gone, I'm predicting that the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falls on the turn and the J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits on the river, with both streets capped.

numeri · #13 04-14-2005, 12:33 PM

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Obviously I called preflop or this would be pretty boring. Here's the flop.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero ??

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Easy call pre-flop for me. The flop is tough, though. We have a GSD, but not worth a full 4 outs. The 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] would be scary, and AK is a possibility for CO. We have a BDF worth about 1.5 outs usually, but again that should be discounted because we're not drawing to the nut flush.

I think maybe 3 outs is generous, giving us 15:1 to improve by the turn. A call here is very borderline with 13:1 currently, but possibly a couple calls following. I fold because I can't be too aggressive if my draw hits since I'm not confident I'm best. (So implied odds here are negligible IMO.)

grjr · #14 04-14-2005, 12:33 PM

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If I accidentally called pre-flop I'd have to call here too getting 13-1.

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Are you the same guy that accidently called with the T8s in that other thread? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

grjr · #15 04-14-2005, 12:36 PM

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Knowing how marginal hands #1 and #2 have gone, I'm predicting that the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falls on the turn and the J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits on the river, with both streets capped.

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Not this time Carnac. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

FlopMe · #16 04-14-2005, 12:37 PM

I haven't made one misclick since I bought monitors with 1600x1200 resolution. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I remember making some doozies when I was 4-tabling with 800x600 resolution though.

grjr · #17 04-14-2005, 01:08 PM

I thought the flop was an easy call but I don't always think things through as far as I should. You'll probably see that here on the turn.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero ??

Entity · #18 04-14-2005, 01:11 PM

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I would not pay 1 SB to play T8s UTG, so I'm not real eager to pay 1.5 SBs to play that same hand from even worse position.

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Your implied odds have gone up, and your relative position rocks, for an investment of only .5 more SB. It's worth it.

Rob

Entity · #19 04-14-2005, 01:12 PM

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I thought the flop was an easy call but I don't always think things through as far as I should. You'll probably see that here on the turn.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero ??

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I would fold, given that you've got around a 4 outer now, and none of your "outs," save maybe a ten, make me particularly happy.

Rob

jrz1972 · #20 04-14-2005, 01:20 PM

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I would not pay 1 SB to play T8s UTG, so I'm not real eager to pay 1.5 SBs to play that same hand from even worse position.

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Your implied odds have gone up, and your relative position rocks, for an investment of only .5 more SB. It's worth it.

Rob

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Yeah I'm trying to loosen up against pfrs out of the blinds. I'm getting there . . . [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I know this is somewhat read-dependent, but how many limpers would make this a borderline decision?