All in with AQs from UTG+1 I get too much action. - Page 2

derick · #11 08-02-2005, 01:37 PM

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Multiway or not, I fold this pre-flop. Post-flop, the hand plays itself.

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Hi Kongo,

You fold AQs preflop?

Do you mean before or after the re-raise?

If you mean before the re-raise, what are your starting hand requirements AK and high pairs?

If you mean after the preflop raise I figured I didn't have the best hand but I'm getting more than the 8 to 1 so I called.

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I fold to the re-raise. What are you hoping to flop here?

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I'd like a flush draw or an ace or even better a queen. I probably won't win but it only costs $2 to see a pot of over $16.

At worst case I'm against AA which would give me about 13% chance of winning.

VS AK, QQ or KK I'm at least a 30% chance of winning.

So although I probably won't win more than about 30% of the time, I'm getting pot odds of 8 to 1 so I figured it's a clear call.

The first limper UTG has a VP$IP over 80% I put him on ... almost anything, I came into this hand raising $2.50 trying to isolate this guy.

The player with a VP$IP about 50% I put on two high cards and up...
The reraiser with the VP$IP in the low 20's ... I put on AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ maybe TT, 99...

kingofswing · #12 08-02-2005, 01:39 PM

buy in the full amount so you can play hands like this right.

derick · #13 08-02-2005, 01:50 PM

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Push preflop?!

That's interesting. I was afraid to get it all in preflop because I reraiser may have me beat already with AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ. I was calling because I figured I was getting good odds with all the deadmoney from the cold callers.

Can you elaborate about why you would push preflop. I never even considered pushing preflop (I'm a crappy player)

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you raised, were minraised, and there were two callers.

the pot is $16 (before your call) with $2 for you to call.

you have less than $20...

to maximize your chance of winning the pot you want to be heads up. if you 3-bet all-in, you may be in a race situation with the minraiser, but i doubt anyone else will call. if everyone folds, you net $13.5.

if minraiser (and only the minraiser) calls, and has an underpair, then you're 48% to win, and would net out roughly $4.5 in EV.

even if there's one other caller with another underpair to you (and they both go to showdown), you're over 33% to win and have a small overlay from the one that folded.

throw in the other caller with a suited connector, and you're still around 30% to win and getting 3:1 on your money.

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Hi Swolfe,

Thanks for the analysis.

I didn't consider pushing preflop.

I was afraid of the reraiser having AA, AKs, AK, KK, QQ

I'd be about 13% vs AA , 25% vs AKs and something between 30% to 35% for AK, KK, QQ.

So I called and didn't push in. I didn't think he had an underpair.

Post flop I pushed because I figured I had him beat if he had KK or QQ and the calling stations might call enough to make calling profitable.

But now I'm thinking your line of calling the UTG bet post flop makes much more sense because a sane player won't call with any hand I can beat?????

Does this my thinking make any sense???

derick

swolfe · #14 08-02-2005, 01:55 PM

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I was afraid of the reraiser having AA, AKs, AK, KK, QQ

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was this your read? or were you seeing monsters? if this is your read, then the only play is to fold...you don't have enough of a stack to call for implied odds of hitting flush/straight.

i would see the min-reraise as usually being 99-JJ, maybe QQ.

LetYouDown · #15 08-02-2005, 01:56 PM

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I'd be about 13% vs AA , 25% vs AKs and something between 30% to 35% for AK, KK, QQ.

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I agree...if this is your read, what the hell are you calling for? Hoping the flop comes Q-Q-Q?

derick · #16 08-02-2005, 02:02 PM

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buy in the full amount so you can play hands like this right.

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Why would it be an advantage to have the full amount?

I bought in short at this table because the good players have $50+ and the crappy players have $10 to $20.

I think it's a disadvantage to have a big stake when the players who are probably better than me have big stacks

For the most part I try to mix it up with the bad players and avoid the good players at the table.

Also I bought in short because, I'm learing .25/.50 NL and it's less expensive when I make an error. (I make lots of errors although I'm ahead 5bb/100 probably due to short term varriance)

#17 08-02-2005, 02:42 PM

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if minraiser (and only the minraiser) calls, and has an underpair, then you're 48% to win, and would net out roughly $4.5 in EV.

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Would you mind punching the numbers, swolfe? I'm not exactly sure how you arrived at +$.45 EV.

derick · #18 08-02-2005, 02:52 PM

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I was afraid of the reraiser having AA, AKs, AK, KK, QQ

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was this your read? or were you seeing monsters? if this is your read, then the only play is to fold...you don't have enough of a stack to call for implied odds of hitting flush/straight.

i would see the min-reraise as usually being 99-JJ, maybe QQ.

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Hi swolfe,

Maybe I was seeing monsters, Min raise seems kinda scarry.

To tell the truth I wasn't really sure what the minraise meant I was confused during this hand. Your call of 99-JJ and prehaps QQ seems perfectly reasonable.

When I pushed all in on the flop I was hoping he had 99-KK.

derick

swolfe · #19 08-02-2005, 02:54 PM

results?

swolfe · #20 08-02-2005, 02:56 PM

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Would you mind punching the numbers, swolfe? I'm not exactly sure how you arrived at +$4.5 EV.

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Hero had $21, which would be matched by min-reraiser. limp-folders would have put in 4.5 each. my rough 4.5 was just splitting the pot in half, but the actual number would be (21+21+4.5+4.5)*.48=24.38 and 24.38-21=3.48 net