Good player 3 bets yourJJ when you try to isolate bad players.

[derick]

$3/$6 Blinds No Limit Hold'em 9 handed

Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: HERO ( $396.9 )
Seat 2: Villan ( $872.3 ) 20/12/19.00 with 129 hands


Seat 8: BAD1 ( $111.1 ) 42/13/1.5
Seat 9: BAD2 ( $285 ) 44/12/.85

BAD1 and BAD2 are really terrible players... get them alone in a hand.

Dealt to HERO [ Jc Jd ]

PREFLOP:

BAD1 raises [$18]. // Bad player raises!
BAD2 calls [$18]. // Bad player calls


HERO raises [$100]. // I'm thinking that I want to isolate the bad players so I can get them alone, I figure JJ is plenty to fight these bad players.


Villan raises [$872.3]. // Good tight very aggressive player 21/12/22.00 (134 hands) 3 bets me... what would you do here?
I've only seen the Villan show AA and QQ in the last 130 or so hands...

// This is exactly what I didn't want to happen ...
// a good player sticking his nose in while I take a chainsaw
// to the bad player petting zoo.


Now I'm thinking I should not have over bet. Probably a bet of around $40 to $50 would have been better. Or is it better to just call the $18 and avoid this kind of mess? ... or is something else better?

Folded back to me.

I think this is an example of how *not* to isolate bad players...

Should I have bet about $55 or so to try to isolate or should I not bother with trying to isolate by overbetting?



comments?

I probably play it the same, and fold.

Something to think about though is, if BAD1 calls pre you are getting it in on any flop obviously. But what about BAD2? I think you should plan ahead, since you have the power, choose exactly how much you want BAD2 to have left in his stack relative to the pot if he calls. Do you want him to have exactly 1 pot bet? 1.5? 2, so you can get away from a bad flop?

[goofball]

I don't see how you can call.
I do think the overbet is too much for just this reason. Repotting should be fine to isolate them almost all the time.

[derick]

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I probably play it the same, and fold.

Something to think about though is, if BAD1 calls pre you are getting it in on any flop obviously. But what about BAD2? I think you should plan ahead, since you have the power, choose exactly how much you want BAD2 to have left in his stack relative to the pot if he calls. Do you want him to have exactly 1 pot bet? 1.5? 2, so you can get away from a bad flop?

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Hi HotPants,

You raise a very good point, I didn't think about how much to leave BAD2 with!

I want BAD1 and BAD2 to call with the crap they probably have. But I also want to shut out the good players.

I think I want to get away from the flop if an Ace hits. I will bet/fold to a reraise if an K or Q hits. This another reason to just pot it rather than really overbet here. I will be any other flop, about 3/4 of the pot or so. So I'd like BAD2 to have about the size of the pot left?

[derick]

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I don't see how you can call.
I do think the overbet is too much for just this reason. Repotting should be fine to isolate them almost all the time.

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Hi gb,

Yes I think you're right.

I really should apologize for not mentioning what's happened so far.




I think my table image is that of a "Plunging lunatic LAG overbetter"

1. First hand I sit down buy in for min(10bb) and go all in preflop with KK into 7 limpers from the big blind, Called 3 ways. It gets cracked by BAD1 playing JTo catching a straight to beat my trip KKK. A good player calls BAD1 and idiot and I defend the guy that just put a bad beat on me.

2. 3 hands later I go all in on the flop with KK on a blank board, someone spikes and ace on the river and I rebuy min(10BB) again. Good player mocks me for re-re-buying minimum and I say, "I'm just learing (sic)"

3. 1 round later I tripple up with QQ gettting it all in preflop.

4. 2 rounds later I double up with 87s, making a straight on a T98r flop to defeat BAD2's ATo.

5. Villan tripples up winning 200BB eliminating 2 bad players with pocket AA