Ontario 2/5 games rake about 4 to 8 BB/100 is this beatable???

[derick]

Hi,

I found this post on www.pokerforum.ca

Brantford Charity Casino will charge 10% rake up to a maximum of $5 at the 2/5 and the 5/10 tables.

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If the average Ontario 2/5 pot is $20, that's a $2 rake* on average, which works out to (all else being equal) 4BB/100 hands per player. Toke the dealer $1 per pot won, and you're looking at an effective rake more along the lines of 6BB/100 per player**. And $20 as an estimate for the average pot in play-em-all, chase-em-all holdem is on the conservative side, don't you think?

So the question really is, can your skill differential really make up in long run winnings the roughly 4 to 8 BB/100 per player that's falling off the table? Maybe, but if you're that good (and have a comfortable bankroll), you might consider moving up in limits


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I couldn't figure out why I can't win given the horrid players at the Brantford 2/5 game. Could this be a reason????


Is there anyone who can consistently beat this 2/5 rake over a large sample size??

Is there anyone who can consistently beat the 5/10 rake over a large period of time or do they all move up ASAP??

I'm currently making 2 bb/100 at the Party .50/1.00
It looks like I can't beat this rake??

What game should I play?


Derick

[topspin]

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If the average Ontario 2/5 pot is $20, that's a $2 rake* on average

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This assumption is retarded. If the average pot size at your table is 4BB, you need to get up and move.

At a 5/10 table, 8BB is probably a more accurate average pot size, in which case you're always getting capped at the $5 rake. Add in an extra dollar per pot for the dealer, and that's $600 per 100 hands. My PT stats say I win about 6% of all hands I'm dealt, which means I pay $36/100 in rake. That's 3.6BB/100.

Again checking PT, I paid Party about 3BB/100 in rake. That's a B&M premium of 0.6BB/100, and should be beatable by a good player.

[PhatPots]

2/5 hold em is beatable. I play it Casinorama. Same deal there. THe players are terrible there. It can be beaten easily. at 2/5 although the rake is much higher, general the pots will be much larger. The number of BB per hand will usually be 10+. Remember also that as a good player, you are only playing the premium hands anyways, so the one who is going to pay the rake is the losing players.

Cheers,
Pots

[derick]

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If the average Ontario 2/5 pot is $20, that's a $2 rake* on average

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This assumption is retarded. If the average pot size at your table is 4BB, you need to get up and move.

At a 5/10 table, 8BB is probably a more accurate average pot size, in which case you're always getting capped at the $5 rake. Add in an extra dollar per pot for the dealer, and that's $600 per 100 hands. My PT stats say I win about 6% of all hands I'm dealt, which means I pay $36/100 in rake. That's 3.6BB/100.

Again checking PT, I paid Party about 3BB/100 in rake. That's a B&M premium of 0.6BB/100, and should be beatable by a good player.

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Thanks for the reply,

So for 2/5 if we use your numbers of 8 BB/hand and 6% win we get.

Rake / 100 hands => 80BB/100 hands * 6% => 4.8 BB/100

Toke $6/100 hands => 1.2 BB/100

Rake + Toke = 4.8 + 1.2 = 6 BB/100

For pots of 8 BB 2/5 is about 3 BB/100 tougher than Party and 2.4 BB/100 tougher than 5/10.

2/5 has a cap of $5.

For Capped 2/5 pots: if you see 6% of hands you pay 6 BB/100.
Plus 1.2 BB/100 toke => 7.2 BB/100.

So I wonder if anyone is winning at 2/5 long term?

Is anyone out there beating 2/5 long term?

Or do better players all go to 5/10 and up?

The 2/5 players are truly dreadful but I wonder if you can make money with a 6->7.2 BB/100 rake. And if you can make money at 2/5 you should probably be playing 5/10?

Derick

[Benal]

Start playing nolimit at the new poker room @ Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls, or Seneca Casino in Niagara Falls, New York. Rake is less of a factor.

[derick]

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2/5 hold em is beatable. I play it Casinorama. Same deal there. THe players are terrible there. It can be beaten easily. at 2/5 although the rake is much higher, general the pots will be much larger. The number of BB per hand will usually be 10+. Remember also that as a good player, you are only playing the premium hands anyways, so the one who is going to pay the rake is the losing players.

Cheers,
Pots

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Hi Pots,

How much have you played/beaten 'rama? Any tips on winning at 2/5 besides SSH and play very tight?

Derick

[derick]

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Start playing nolimit at the new poker room @ Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls, or Seneca Casino in Niagara Falls, New York. Rake is less of a factor.

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Hi Benal,

I kind of suck at no-limit. I keep losing my whole buyin when I play no-limit.


I've just started to learn no-limit, I've read Supersystem 1, PL&NLP by Ciafone and Reuben and Harrington on Holdem. Is there a simple faq for beating these low limit no-limit games like at Seneca Casino?

Derick

[Benal]

I don't know about a FAQ, but read the NL/PL forums.. there are excellent posters and great advice to be found.