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#1
03-07-2005, 08:06 PM
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When are you a loser?
I know this might have been asked before but I never exactly have read it being asked in this manner.
I have heard in numerous posts that by playing just around 100 SnG's of a certain limit you should be able to tell if you are a winning player or not...does the same apply for if you are a losing player? When is it time to give up and quit, move down or re-evaluate your play? 
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#2
03-07-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
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When is it time to give up and quit, [/ QUOTE ] When you run out of money. [ QUOTE ] move down [/ QUOTE ] just before you run out of money [ QUOTE ] or re-evaluate your play? [/ QUOTE ] All the time. Pro golfers go to the driving range after their rounds. Most country-clubbers only go before.
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#3
03-07-2005, 08:19 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
100 isnt enough to tell if you are a winner or a loser. over the last 130 I'm a big time loser. Over a few thousand before that I'm a pretty big time winner.
The only thing you can maybe tell from 100 is how you compare to the competition. if most of your losses are sustained when you are a (heavy) favorite in a hand then you could very well be a winning player getting unlucky. if most of your losses are sustained where you are a dog and your usually winnin only by getting lucky, then you obviusly need to re-evaluate. statistically speaking though, 100 isnt anything.
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#4
03-07-2005, 08:25 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
you should constantly re-evaluate, and if you're losing, you should stop sometime before you run out of money you can afford to lose, if you care about such things. you should be able to get a feel, if you are honest with yourself, about whether you are a losing player in less than 100 sngs. this doesn't mean that if you are down money, you know you are a loser, but it means that you should be able to honestly evaluate your performances, and have a feel for if you are beating the game.
if you're on the "unsure" side, you should consider moving down until you are sure. meh, i'd write more, but i'm worn out from a long day of posting. and being nice. citanul
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#5
03-07-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
hmm, do i think 100 is enough to determine if you are a winning player or not? i have to go with a definitive no. over 100 sngs im sure i have had a -30% roi. over 100 sngs im sure i have had a +50% roi. 100 sngs is one day. if i won every day i would be very rich. but i dont win every day, so 100 cant be enough.
my advice to you is to keep playing every day if possible, and get in as many as you possibly can. i play about a bajillion sngs a day if i can. play about a trillion more sngs and keep us all updated on how its goin [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] not everyone wins in their first 100 sngs. holla
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#7
03-07-2005, 08:49 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
didnt mean the post to criticize cit, was just making an example about how 100 isnt enough to even tell really. it should be enough to give you an idea though. keep playing, youll get there. you are already 10 steps ahead of the game by even posting here. holla
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#8
03-07-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
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When is it time to give up and quit [/ QUOTE ] Never. [ QUOTE ] or re-evaluate your play? [/ QUOTE ] Every day of your life.
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#9
03-07-2005, 09:16 PM
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Re: When are you a loser?
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I have heard in numerous posts that by playing just around 100 SnG's of a certain limit you should be able to tell if you are a winning player or not... [/ QUOTE ] A winning player should be able to tell looking through 100 HHs whether or not someone is most likely a winning player. But doesn't it seem likely that a losing player, breakeven player, or even marginally winning player will have a hard time knowing whether or not they are 'winning'? [ QUOTE ] does the same apply for if you are a losing player? [/ QUOTE ] Well, if you're a losing player, you can be making better plays than the complete 'monkeys' and think you're actually a winner.....but you're not. At the same time, it's also possible for losing players to realize that they have huge leaks (even if they don't know specifically what they are) and that they are very likely losing money at their current skill level. Do you think you're a 'losing' player? If so, why? If not, why not? [ QUOTE ] When is it time to give up and quit [/ QUOTE ] Do you feel like quitting? [ QUOTE ] move down or re-evaluate your play? [/ QUOTE ] Do you feel like moving down? Are you interested in getting 'better' and/or making more +$EV decisions during SNGs? All of this talk about 'losing' and 'winning' is highly dependent on the person and their own capabilities concerning self-evaluation and current actual skill level. I'm still not exactly sure what you're original question is getting at. Yugoslav Who noticed Scuba's lack of Socratic dialogue in this thread, [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img].
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#10
03-08-2005, 02:21 AM
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Re: When are you a loser?
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Well, if you're a losing player, you can be making better plays than the complete 'monkeys' and think you're actually a winner.....but you're not. [/ QUOTE ] Either this is the exact opposite of what I was going to say, or I've missed your point here. If you are making better plays than the 'monkeys' (and not just thinking that you are), then there's not a lot you can do about financially negative results (aside from improving your game to make even better plays). Sure, you might not be financially up right now, but does that make you a "loser"? I think I've totally missed the point of Yugo's post, haven't I?
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