Who plays this one/quick preflop?

[TripleH68]

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UTG is complete maniac. 74/60/3.3 over 91 hands. I don't come across these very often.
He is making sure there is at least one raise on every street. Fun. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
MP3 is SLA. One of a couple players at the table playing back at the maniac.
Button to act after me is a gambooler. Many hands have been reduced to HU between him and UTG and I think he will not be able to resist playing from the button here with any two decent cards.

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="red">UTG raises</font>, <font color="gray">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="gray">1 fold</font>, <font color="red">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero ???

<font color="blue">I know under normal circumstances I don't want to play 66 for more than 2 bets. Do I have the odds to play here?</font>

[Chaos_ult]

I don't think I call here, unless MP gets completely out of line as well. Even then I'd probably fold.

[Solid_p]

Very very easy fold. You don't have odds for hitting a set and you wont know if you have the best hand postflop. Pot is gonna be 3-handed at least with several bets, which isn't a good spot for a low pair.

[mack848]

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Very very easy fold. You don't have odds for hitting a set and you wont know if you have the best hand postflop. Pot is gonna be 3-handed at least with several bets, which isn't a good spot for a low pair.

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I am not so sure about this. If the hand is played 4 handed for 3SB each, you need to make at least 22SB to play for set value alone. Given that there will already be 10.5SB put in by your opponents preflop, you only need to make up about 6BB post flop if you hit your set. Given the nature of the game, I can easily see this happening.

Even if, as is quite possible, the betting is capped preflop, I still think you can consider playing if you think it will be 4 handed or better. You would then need to make up about 8BB post flop when you hit. This pot is likely to end up a monster.

[Nick Royale]

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I am not so sure about this. If the hand is played 4 handed for 3SB each, you need to make at least 22SB to play for set value alone. Given that there will already be 10.5SB put in by your opponents preflop, you only need to make up about 6BB post flop if you hit your set. Given the nature of the game, I can easily see this happening.

Even if, as is quite possible, the betting is capped preflop, I still think you can consider playing if you think it will be 4 handed or better. You would then need to make up about 8BB post flop when you hit. This pot is likely to end up a monster.

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I'm not sure how you came to this, but I would do it like this:

<u>4 players to the flop for 3 SB each:</u>
3:10 (pot odds)
1:10 (odds you'll win the pot)
3:30 (odds you'll win the pot times the number of bets you have to put in)

30 - 10 = 20 SB

You'll have to make 10BB postflop according to this scenario. A scenario of 5 players to the flop for 4 bets each would result in 11BB and 5 players for 3 bets each 8.5BB. I think you'll need to expect to win an average of ~10BB to be able to make this call preeflop, and I don't think we can expect that. It seems to me that most of the time we'll have to fold this flop when we miss and the only thing this LAG does to make it closer a call is the fact that he makes the implied odds when hitting better. Still I don't think he makes this preflop call close.

[krimson]

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<u>4 players to the flop for 3 SB each:</u>
3:10 (pot odds)
1:10 (odds you'll win the pot)
3:30 (odds you'll win the pot times the number of bets you have to put in)

30 - 10 = 20 SB

You'll have to make 10BB postflop according to this scenario.

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This is actually being pretty generous. UTG is a complete maniac and I think the chances of him making this 4 bets pre-flop is very high.

[Nick Royale]

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<u>4 players to the flop for 3 SB each:</u>
3:10 (pot odds)
1:10 (odds you'll win the pot)
3:30 (odds you'll win the pot times the number of bets you have to put in)

30 - 10 = 20 SB

You'll have to make 10BB postflop according to this scenario.

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This is actually being pretty generous. UTG is a complete maniac and I think the chances of him making this 4 bets pre-flop is very high.

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I agree, but with the read given on Button and a possible call from BB I think 10-11BB is reasonable. Still I think that's more than we'll manage to make on average.

[toss]

Eh its probably +EV, but its going to be hard to play postflop and its going to shoot up your variance.

Edit: Forget what I said. Just play it no set, no bet.

[Dariel86]

No way I'm playing that one.

[siccjay]

easy fold I think I would need 99 here maybe 88