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#71
09-18-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
"(the Pharisees), believed themselves to be 100% correct in doctrine."
Yeah, but the point is that they weren't. And neither are you. "100% logical acceptance of doctrine is nice; but, it is only a blanket that temporarily succors the restless soul of man;" It is much more than nice. It shows that it is in accordance with God's creation, hence with God Himself. If there is one single logical error within the religious doctrine, it cannot be from God, because God is perfect and will not make mistakes in His doctrine. 
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#72
09-18-2005, 04:17 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
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And when revealed certainty gives the Church objective certainty in matters of Faith and Morals through its legitimate use of authority, the problem is solved. That is precisely what God did with the Catholic Church. Without objective certainty, which is the direct intervention by God in the Holy Spirit, a religion is merely a philosophical belief that cannot assure us of supernatural beliefs with any guarantees. That makes it absolutely useless, as all religions except Catholicism are. [/ QUOTE ] Priceless. The Holy Ghost is proof of "objective certainty" and thus Catholicism is the only true religion. The more you folks preach, the more you start to sound like the Hale Bopp cult. Seriously.
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#73
09-18-2005, 04:20 PM
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If there is one single logical error within the religious doctrine, it cannot be from God, because God is perfect and will not make mistakes in His doctrine. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently, His mistakes in His creation are quite another matter, however.
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#75
09-18-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
Anything coming from God is objectively certain. But this can only be believed by those who have the arbitrary grace of Faith, which you don't, sucker. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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#76
09-18-2005, 04:40 PM
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Anything coming from God is objectively certain. But this can only be believed by those who have the arbitrary grace of Faith, which you don't, sucker. [/ QUOTE ] You are no longer worth my time.
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#77
09-18-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
When dealing with supernatural issues, I contend that it is impossible to be objectively certain about anything, unless it is made so by God.
Human beings by nature can only obtain to natural certainty. It requires a special grace to be certain about any supernatural truths.
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#78
09-18-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
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Anything coming from God is objectively certain. But this can only be believed by those who have the arbitrary grace of Faith, which you don't, sucker. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and "The Dude" says Nietzsche is *wrong* about christianity drowning reason.
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#79
09-18-2005, 04:48 PM
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It requires a special grace to be certain about any supernatural truths. [/ QUOTE ] "special grace" = abandonment of logical reason Thank God he didn't touch me with his "special grace".
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#80
09-18-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: What You Protestants Don\'t Seem to Get
Not at all. Nothing supernatural contradicts logic, it acts above it. This is because we are talking about Faith, a subject inherently unnatural that cannot be measured by human means.
So math, science and reasoning still apply. There is no contradiction between Faith and Reason. They are just limited to their own fields.
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