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05-04-2005, 02:44 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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It's cheating. It's just like getting away with holding a card off. You intentionally broke the rules to cheat someone else out of their money. [/ QUOTE ] No Josh it isn't cheating. That person sat down at a table and gambled his money without knowing the ins and outs. The object of hold'em is to make the best 5 card hand that you can out of your hole cards plus the community cards on the board. In this case, the guy could only make pair queens out of what was right in front of him. I can see how some people might feel here, because I am an honest guy in my life and work...but this is a poker table, and when I play poker I play to bust people up. What just happened here is Poker's own form of "Natural Selection". I would have stayed at that table with those folks until the vitreous humour inside my eyeballs ruptured. 
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05-04-2005, 03:53 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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[ QUOTE ] It's cheating. It's just like getting away with holding a card off. You intentionally broke the rules to cheat someone else out of their money. [/ QUOTE ] No Josh it isn't cheating. That person sat down at a table and gambled his money without knowing the ins and outs. The object of hold'em is to make the best 5 card hand that you can out of your hole cards plus the community cards on the board. In this case, the guy could only make pair queens out of what was right in front of him. I can see how some people might feel here, because I am an honest guy in my life and work...but this is a poker table, and when I play poker I play to bust people up. What just happened here is Poker's own form of "Natural Selection". I would have stayed at that table with those folks until the vitreous humour inside my eyeballs ruptured. [/ QUOTE ] Another rule of casino poker is card's speak. Yet another rule of casino poker is that every player is obliged to speak up if they notice a rule being broken. It didn't matter if the guy thought he had Q high or a royal flush, he flipped his cards up, the cards speak. The cards ruled a split pot, the hero took a whole pot when he knew it should be split. He cheated.
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05-04-2005, 04:05 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's cheating. It's just like getting away with holding a card off. You intentionally broke the rules to cheat someone else out of their money. [/ QUOTE ] No Josh it isn't cheating. That person sat down at a table and gambled his money without knowing the ins and outs. The object of hold'em is to make the best 5 card hand that you can out of your hole cards plus the community cards on the board. In this case, the guy could only make pair queens out of what was right in front of him. I can see how some people might feel here, because I am an honest guy in my life and work...but this is a poker table, and when I play poker I play to bust people up. What just happened here is Poker's own form of "Natural Selection". I would have stayed at that table with those folks until the vitreous humour inside my eyeballs ruptured. [/ QUOTE ] Another rule of casino poker is card's speak. Yet another rule of casino poker is that every player is obliged to speak up if they notice a rule being broken. It didn't matter if the guy thought he had Q high or a royal flush, he flipped his cards up, the cards speak. The cards ruled a split pot, the hero took a whole pot when he knew it should be split. He cheated. [/ QUOTE ] Not that I'm disagreeing; but were we not one of the splitters and didn't say anything, would it still be cheating? Mike
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05-04-2005, 05:06 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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You legitimately won this hand. You both had the same two-pair (Queens and Jacks) but your Nine kicker won you the pot. I have no idea why everyone else debating whether or not you cheated. [/ QUOTE ] interesting post. Not true but interesting. Even so pokey you are still a cheater.
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05-04-2005, 05:11 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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You legitimately won this hand. You both had the same two-pair (Queens and Jacks) but your Nine kicker won you the pot. I have no idea why everyone else debating whether or not you cheated. [/ QUOTE ] You're as bad as the dealer. The 9 on the board played. Opponent had the same kicker.
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#20
05-04-2005, 05:16 AM
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Re: How hard do you argue against yourself?
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You legitimately won this hand. You both had the same two-pair (Queens and Jacks) but your Nine kicker won you the pot. I have no idea why everyone else debating whether or not you cheated. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you're making a mistake in your reading of the board. The river card was a 9, giving them both a 9 kicker with queens and jacks. That counterfeits the 9 in hero's hand. As for the actual question, I don't think I'd want to play at a table where the dealer didn't know the rules and couldn't read the board. I'd step up and point out his mistake and split the pot.
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