Laying down a set in a raised pot.

[Legend]

The following hand left me puzzled and I'd love to get some feedback on it.

$2-$4 NL, on-line, $400 max buy-in.

UTG is at seat 1 with $774.
UTG + 1 is at seat 2 with $607.
Hero is at seat 3 with $909.
BB is at seat 0 with $465.
9 players at the table.

Hero is dealt 5-5

Pre-flop:
UTG calls.
UTG + 1 calls.
Hero calls.
Two more LP call.
SB calls.
BB raises to $32.
UTG calls.
UTG + 1 calls.
Hero calls.
The others fold.

Flop (board: 8s Qd 3s):
BB checks.
UTG checks.
UTG+1 bets $4.
Everyone call.

Pot is $158

turn card: 5c
BB checks.
UTG checks.
UTG+1 checks.
Hero bets $100
BB folds.
UTG check raises to $275.
UTG+1 folds.

The turn gave me a set and I was happy to see the pre-flop raiser fold
because there was a slight chance he may have slow played a set of QQQ.
However, my bet on the turn was check raised by the UTG player,
a player I had no information on and who had a big stack (2 times
the max buy-in).

Since there is no straight or flush possible and two pair is extremely
unlikely, I thought that I was up against a set of Qs or 8s or a semi
bluff. I think a set of 3s is much less likely because UTG will not
check it twice when there is at least one pocket pair higher than 3
out there.

I seriously considered folding, hesitated and then decided to call
and see what he does on the river.

The river was 9d. $708 in the pot. UTG moved all-in for $463.
I folded.

Do you think I had to fold on the turn, move all-in on the turn
or call the river ?

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

[kirbyatihop]

i think that if you called on the turn you should of called on the river because it seemed that this guy had every intention of moveing all in after the check raise becasue you just called on the turn while there would be no reason not to come back over the top if you were going to call to a bet on the river. He probibly wasn't bluffing and i would say he had something like aq or maby aa wich you had beat but the call on the turn made him think he had you so he bet. They lay down itself i think was a bad one in the sense you had the best hand i cant think of a hand that utg would of just called with at a full table and then hit a set on the flop besides for a set of threes which you had beat anyways. This is just how i look at this situatuation i know im only an average holdem player so you might want another opionon

[thatpfunk]

Why would you call the turn but fold to a river bet when it is not threatening?

Do you have any read on this player at all? You must have been at the table with him for a while... IMHO, push or fold the turn, player dependent w/ such deep stacks (and I am at a loss as to how Villian played this. After a $4 bet on the flop, his hand is so strong that he can risk a CR? Huh? What site was this on, btw?)but I am much more inclined to push...

[B Mando]

Folded a set once you hit it on 4th??? hhhmm...I couldnt move my money into the pot fast enough in a cash game if someone wanted to call me...

I think he might have been on a bluff trying to get you off your hand thinking you had nothing and that five didnt help you and you were just taking a shot at the pot...I would come back over the top of him all day when I hit my set...
I, personally, would never slow play that flop if I had QQ in a multi way pot and I do not think others would either...but thats my two cents...

[pocketdueces81]

The only time I would lay down a set here is if I had a short bankroll and an amazing read on a player. Why call the turn bet if you think he had a set of Ladies? If he did your set of 5's are crap and you just pissed away money.

You called the 4$ flop bet in hopes of catching a two outer...get there....call a large bet....then fold on the river...

Lets assume you had a read on the player. I would have played it like you did until you gave away money on the turn. Heck, if I thought he had a set of queens calling the $4 is out of the question.

The villain may have checked the flop because he had a set of Queens. If he is this type of player and the turn is a 5 there is still no draw and he would either bet or just call a bet hoping to sucker you into a big river bet. I would say that he does not have a set of queens. Perhaps AA KK or even AQ. I would have a hard time mucking my set for just $400 dollars.

Dont play small pocket pairs you are concerned about set over set.

Dueces

[TheGrifter]

I would put him in on the turn. If he's semi-bluffing a with a flush draw +, which I think is his most likely hand, he'll usually call.

[Legend]

Thanks for your feedback. I realize that I misplayed this hand and had
to either push or fold the turn, or at least call the river bet.

In an answer to your questions:

1) I ruled out a set of 3s because if he flopped bottom set I don't
think he would have slow played it and check both the flop and the
turn when there is probably at least one pocket pair higher than 3 out
there.

2) I didn't put him on AA or KK either. Although he limped UTG, there
were 4 callers before the BB raise so I'd expect him to re-raise
here to minimize the field and protect his deep stack. By just
calling he induces others to call as well and get decent implied
odds. Also, if he had AA or KK I'd expect him to bet the flop or
at least the turn, but he checked the flop, called a small irrelevant
$4 bet, then check raised the turn.

Therefore, I thought he was slow playing a set of Qs or 8s.
A semi bluff or pure bluff was also a possibility of course but unfortunately I
had no relevant information on the player nor did I have much time to try and figure it out.

I ended up folding on the river because his all-in bet was
close to a pot sized bet and I couldn't find a hand I could beat besides a bluff.

[Allinlife]

are you phil hellmuth? if not, call
to make long story short, this is like folding KK preflop vs unknown. you may be beat by AA, but there are enough hands you dominate that it makes it a EV+ play.

[Ray Zee]

you raise allin on fourth street. if he has you beat you dig for more money. thats all.
but why didnt you or anyone inquire about the five of spades? it is the most important thing in making a decision here. do you understand.

[TheGrifter]

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you raise allin on fourth street. if he has you beat you dig for more money. thats all.
but why didnt you or anyone inquire about the five of spades? it is the most important thing in making a decision here. do you understand.

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Is it because if you have the 5 of spades then it is nearly impossible for the 5 to help his hand if he's on a draw, therefore making it much more likely that he was slowplaying a set on the flop?