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11-05-2005, 12:49 PM
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1010 in a tough river spot
Every player in this hand is pretty bad. The first two limpers are horrendous, and the button is a tight-ish preflop player (25%) but majorly overaggressive postflop. The reason I just called preflop was to be able to CR the field on a low card board, as the button would always bet if checked to him.
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, 2 folds[/i]</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets</font>,Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 players)</font> Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button folds. River: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 players)</font> Hero bets</font>, MP2 raises</font>, Hero ... 
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#2
11-05-2005, 12:53 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
You gotta raise preflop and I would say check call the river.
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#3
11-05-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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You gotta raise preflop and I would say check call the river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really agree with the PF raise but it's not what I want to talk about this hand either.
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#4
11-05-2005, 01:10 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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[ QUOTE ] You gotta raise preflop and I would say check call the river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really agree with the PF raise but it's not what I want to talk about this hand either. [/ QUOTE ] we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money. i would fold to the river raise... i guess he has the nuts, what else would play this way?
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#5
11-05-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You gotta raise preflop and I would say check call the river. [/ QUOTE ] I don't really agree with the PF raise but it's not what I want to talk about this hand either. [/ QUOTE ] we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money. i would fold to the river raise... i guess he has the nuts, what else would play this way? [/ QUOTE ] again, I disagree. all a raise PF does a build a pot for chasing overcards. it's not giving away money because the extra money that goes in preflop that exploits your equity edge is lost (and then some) to the entire pots lost to chasing overcards in a big field of fish. I am 100% comfortable with the PF decision here. it's not the aspect of the hand I am seeking advice on. as for the river, I don't have to be right very often here. isn't it a clear call based on pot odds alone?
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#6
11-06-2005, 01:11 AM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money [/ QUOTE ] HPFAP says you shouldn't raise preflop if you think you will be against 3 or 4 opponents with TT or JJ. Limping is not horrible. Arguable? Maybe.
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#7
11-06-2005, 01:36 AM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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[ QUOTE ] we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money [/ QUOTE ] HPFAP says you shouldn't raise preflop if you think you will be against 3 or 4 opponents with TT or JJ. Limping is not horrible. Arguable? Maybe. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it's obviously not a no-brainer decision. In this case I was in the worst position with a super aggressive postflop player on the button and limpers who would chase overs. It was a perfect spot to limp, because with a favourable board I would be able to force overcard draws into a serious error. I actually think raising here would have been a suboptimal play, by a large margin. Anyways, the river was the interesting street to me, and has been discussed a bit. I feel it's a clear call, even in retrospect.
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#8
11-07-2005, 01:28 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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[ QUOTE ] we are going to talk about it... not raising in te described situation is horrible.. you are just giving away that free money [/ QUOTE ] HPFAP says you shouldn't raise preflop if you think you will be against 3 or 4 opponents with TT or JJ. Limping is not horrible. Arguable? Maybe. [/ QUOTE ] HPFAPBLAHBLAHBLAH
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#9
11-05-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
I think you need to fold this river. Sounds like to me he either waited to bump his flush or he hit two pair. This is not something you can beat the majority of the time IMO.
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#10
11-05-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: 1010 in a tough river spot
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I think you need to fold this river. Sounds like to me he either waited to bump his flush or he hit two pair. This is not something you can beat the majority of the time IMO. [/ QUOTE ] I certainly don't need to beat him a majority of the time to call.
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