Blind Battles: Hand #7

[stigmata]

"he doesnt 3bet from the blinds much"

"He loves taking hands to the showdown against you"

Suggest we have very little fold equity. A turn check-raise look suspicous and will get looked up by Ace-high a large proportion of the time.

I much prefer a flop check-raise. I think you actually have better fold equity on the flop and represent a vulnerable pair much better. Also, you have a ton of outs and you really don't need him to fold very often at all to make the flop check-raise profitable. When the turn blanks, your equity has plummeted and you are actually perhaps more likely to get looked up now.

[oreogod]

im assuming a tough/solid/tricky player 3bets a little looser than usual to a sb steal. IF thats the case and he doesnt always have, say a pair or just AK here, then even if u loosen the range a little to 77-AA,KQ-KJ, AK-AT, QJ, etc. If thats the case, its basically a coinflip on the flop. 55/45 his favor usually, but sometimes 50/50, sometimes less it really just depends. Anyway, so if its practically a coinflip on the flop it really doesnt matter how many bets go in, what does matter is how it affects him laying down a smaller pair or overcards to a turn bet (or flop c/r, but that happens like never), which u become a 3:1 or 4:1 dog to once the turn hits.

So it really depends. I think c/r the turn is a little overboard as u have to call the 3bet. I think if u want to put in more bets, and the reason to do so is if hes folding a better hand, do it on the flop. Otherwise I have no problem c/c, c/c here.

[TStoneMBD]

hi oreo your hand range that you gave him sounds just about what i was thinking. i should have given him a hand range to be specific.

[Schneids]

I do open complete a lot more hands than a lot more posters here, but 87s is not one of them, and against this type of opponent is not one where I'll open complete either.

I think you gotta c/r the flop. That or c/c, c/c and then concede that you aren't winning the pot without improvement. A good opponent is aware that the pot is big enough to fight for so it's more likely he's betting the turn intending to never fold before showdown.

[Trix]

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Just wondering what have made you change your mind about this ?

[cartman]

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Villain is a tough, solid, tricky player. he doesnt 3bet from the blinds much unless he has a good hand. He loves taking hands to the showdown against you so if you checkraise the flop hes often calling down with ace high unless the board gets scary for him. if you checkraise the turn he may or may not fold ace high but will often 3bet a strong pair against you.


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Given this description I don't understand any line besides check/call, check/call, check/fold unimproved. What am I missing?

Thanks,
Cartman