Persons killed in Iraq

odellthurman · #1 12-12-2005, 04:05 PM

This is interesting, regardless of your position on Iraq.

Bush comments on 12-12-05 about number of persons killed in Iraq: "I would say 30,000 more or less have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis," the president said. "We've lost about 2,140 of our own troops in Iraq."

And this is from a website devoted to remembering victims of the 9-11 terrorist attacks: "CONFIRMED DEAD: 2948 • REPORTED DEAD: 24 • REPORTED MISSING: 24 • TOTAL: 2996"

BCPVP · #2 12-12-2005, 04:58 PM

I think he's talking about those who died from combat-related injuries, not those who died in accidents. Just a guess.

theweatherman · #3 12-12-2005, 07:50 PM

I think he was trying to show that over 10X the amount of people havedied in Iraq than died on 9/11.

Autocratic · #4 12-12-2005, 07:52 PM

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This sounds right, though it would make his statement incorrect.

peritonlogon · #5 12-12-2005, 08:40 PM

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This sounds right, though it would make his statement incorrect.

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His early statement is not just American troops, but Iraqis too, and it's probably way on the low side.

BCPVP · #6 12-12-2005, 08:50 PM

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This sounds right, though it would make his statement incorrect.

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His early statement is not just American troops, but Iraqis too, and it's probably way on the low side.

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Arnfinn Madsen · #7 12-12-2005, 08:55 PM

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I think he's talking about those who died from combat-related injuries, not those who died in accidents. Just a guess.

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This sounds right, though it would make his statement incorrect.

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His early statement is not just American troops, but Iraqis too, and it's probably way on the low side.

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Interesting, maybe his source? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] In all honestly, I heard the clip when he says it and he does not claim that his number is correct. He puts it out as a guesstimate.

sweetjazz · #8 12-13-2005, 04:13 AM

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I think he's talking about those who died from combat-related injuries, not those who died in accidents. Just a guess.

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This sounds right, though it would make his statement incorrect.

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His early statement is not just American troops, but Iraqis too, and it's probably way on the low side.

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Good link, but his number is more consistent with the lower figure they give, because that just lists civilian casualties, while Bush was giving an estimate for the total number of persons killed altogether. (Which is not a criticism of his figure, just a comment on your comment.)

Cyrus · #9 12-13-2005, 03:50 AM

May I remind you how some of those "dead American soldiers" over whom Bush is crying crocodile tears are coming home to be buried ?

Cargo freight!

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Cyrus, I've had the distinct honor and sadness to be involved with military flights returning coffins stateside for burial. There is a very strict protocol involved. You don't find, in my experience, infractions of the procedures. Every possible means of showing respect is in place. Those are not happy crews during those flights.

I can't say how commercial flights operate. I do know they have policies/procedures which, IIRC, are dictated by the DoD as part of their contract(s) for shipping coffins. I'm comfortable they follow their agreement.

I didn't comment on the other attempt at making the process look shameful because nobody seemed interested in it. Your remark is in the middle of an active thread and I decided to share my knowledge.