QQ v unknown on scary board

[WillyTrailer]

what hand can we beat if a spade hits the river?

-WT

[WillMagic]

Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks.

Will

[newhizzle]

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what hand can we beat if a spade hits the river?

-WT

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probably not many, maybe TJ or something, but the pot is small and he wont have that very often here

i was just wondering, i think if a spade hits we pretty much have to fold against an unknown, if were up against a peel any flop type guy then i think the descision gets closer(turn descision), but this is a scarier flop than most and i dont think most 10/20 guys are this type, so a check is probably right without a read, but i still think its close

[cpk]

Checking probably induces a bluff, which is a great way to get money into the pot when you're actually ahead. Raising if you make a straight seems OK, but you have to think of which losing hands will pay off two bets. It may be pretty close to a no raise, actually.

[TomBrooks]

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Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks. Will

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I agree if you know the opponent never or rarely would semibluff checkraise the turn with a flush draw or a flush and gutshot or a flush and OESD. But if you don't know the opponent can you count on that enough to confidently fold to a checkraise?

[molawn2mo]

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Why not bet/fold? The dude isn't going to bluff, or even semi-bluff on this board - at least not often enough to be problematic. And it's easy to fold if a spade rivers and villain donks.

Will

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Villain w/K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]= turn semi-bluff 100% of the time.
Villain w/lesser [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]= turn semi-bluff a somewhat lesser % of the time.
Point is semi-bluff is very real possiblility.

[bakku]

hey brett,

i am betting this turn with it being the last bet i put into the pot unless i improve

[BigEndian]

A semibluff CR here is just not as likely as people are expecting. A semibluff donk bet perhaps, and that produces a whole nother line of thinking, but not a semibluff CR.

- Jim

[jason_t]

A read is really important on what the correct decision is here.

[B Dids]

I think vs. an unknown, you have to bet and make it the last bet you but in w/o improvement.

I have no idea what an unknown 10/20 UTG limpers standards are, but I would think that you probably see a fold here a lot.