Help I'm still such a donk

bluesbassman · #1 09-07-2005, 05:57 AM

Both of these hands are from the same $11 SnG. In the second hand, I pushed KQs from the button after it was folded to me, and both the SB and BB called. (The hand converter isn't quite working.)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero raises to t100, 7 folds, UTG calls t85, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: (t237.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, UTG calls t200.

Turn: (t637.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t637.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets t250, Hero folds.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

SB (t1115)
BB (t765)
UTG (t1790)
MP (t3560)
Hero (t770)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Flop: (t150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)

River: (t150) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)

Final Pot: t150

Results in white below: 
SB has Js Jd (two pair, jacks and nines).
BB has As 9d (three of a kind, nines).
UTG doesn't show.
MP doesn't show.
Hero has Kd Qd (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: BB wins t150.

bluesbassman · #2 09-07-2005, 10:14 AM

Bump. Any advice on whether and how I should have played these hands differently?

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Both of these hands are from the same $11 SnG. In the second hand, I pushed KQs from the button after it was folded to me, and both the SB and BB called. (The hand converter isn't quite working.)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, Hero raises to t100, 7 folds, UTG calls t85, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: (t237.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, UTG calls t200.

Turn: (t637.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t637.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets t250, Hero folds.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

SB (t1115)
BB (t765)
UTG (t1790)
MP (t3560)
Hero (t770)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Flop: (t150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)

Turn: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)

River: (t150) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)

Final Pot: t150

Results in white below: 
SB has Js Jd (two pair, jacks and nines).
BB has As 9d (three of a kind, nines).
UTG doesn't show.
MP doesn't show.
Hero has Kd Qd (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: BB wins t150. 

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unreal_nh · #3 09-07-2005, 10:35 AM

first one looks ok, bet a little less on the say around 100 or 125. the second hand i dont understand.

downtown · #4 09-07-2005, 10:36 AM

Hand 1: Raise less, maybe t50, then your c-bet on the flop can also be less. I make it 1/2 pot in this spot instead.

Hand 2: the action is messed up and I can't tell what happened.

#5 09-07-2005, 11:03 AM

Hand 1: raise pf less, 60 or 65 is my usual. Now the pot is 160-175, and a c-bet of 125 will have the same effect as a 200 into a 240 pot. So you save about 120 chips playing it this way. The turn and river look g00t. (I guess if you put him on a non-paired heart draw you could push the turn considering you have 78634 outs, but that may be slightly overplaying it.)

Hand 2: I believe this is standard.

Nicholasp27 · #6 09-07-2005, 11:04 AM

first hand try raising 3BBs + 1BB for each raiser, or 60

then ur pot is 150ish

on flop, make 1/2 pot bets instead of 90% pot bets for continuation

second hand, u can't be upset that someone got jj and a9 and called...an argument may be made for being more patient and waiting to push (if 75/150 i think it's auto-push), but pushing may still be correct...but remember, even if it's 100% correct to push, a small % of the time, they will get a high pp or ax that they'll call with...here it looks like bb decided that they'd gamble with a9 in hopes of tripling up since they would be alone low stack after this hand

durron597 · #7 09-07-2005, 11:10 AM

Both of these hands are fine. You raised just fine in the first hand. Pushing the turn in the second hand isn't horrible either because you probably have 17 outs anyway.

#8 09-07-2005, 11:13 AM

This really has nothing to do with the hands, but maybe a bit more mental. Ur calling yourself a donk still. u made 2 semi correct plays. If you get it built up in your head your a donkey, and your scared to make plays. Aside from reading these forums, your kinda putting yourself in a negative place with a negative attitude. I've found in the past when i do that to myself, nothing goes my way. Nothing. Keep a good attitude, keep reading these posts, and try to make all the right plays. In the end, you'll win.

downtown · #9 09-07-2005, 11:59 AM

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Hand 2: the action is messed up and I can't tell what happened.

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Oops, I can't read. I think hand 2 is fine, std. push.

GtrHtr · #10 09-07-2005, 12:09 PM

Hand 1. Pretty much what everybody else says, but I'd vary my play here based upon position. Often I'll limp with AKo from UTG-MP where it doesn't play as well OOP.

Hand 2. Not horrible but there is still a lot of time.