Flopped top trips no kicker

MiguelSanchez · #1 07-21-2005, 05:16 AM

10 handed PP 1/2

MP1 is a maniac, very aggressive even with nothing.
MP2 is aggressive, slightly loose (35VPIP), usually has something but will sometimes bet scary boards.

Hero in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG, UTG+2, MP1, MP2 all call, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, all limpers call

Flop (14 SB)
7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, SB folds, Hero...?

I was going for a check-raise of the button here, do I 3-bet? There's a bet (albeit from maniac who likely has nothing) and a raise, into the preflop raiser. I could see MP2 having a spade draw, though.

I realize that calling preflop here is questionable.

@bsolute_luck · #2 07-21-2005, 05:42 AM

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I realize that calling preflop here is questionable

[/ QUOTE ] wow, this is an understatement.

call the flop and lead a non-[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] turn.

Durs522 · #3 07-21-2005, 05:48 AM

Obviously you should be folding this hand preflop, however since you didn't I'll throw in my $.02.

I think you're in a tough spot on the flop. I'd probably call the flop and bet the turn as long as a scare card doesn't fall.

POKhER · #4 07-21-2005, 05:48 AM

lol... Funny preflop.

Anyhow, I call here and then check/raise the turn to a non-spade i think.

adsman · #5 07-21-2005, 07:08 AM

Bet the flop.

#6 07-21-2005, 07:35 AM

I'd three-bet the flop, to try and get the pot head up against the raiser, and to try and take control of the hand. If he caps, call it, then check/call the turn and the river, barring running spades.

If he just calls your three-bet, lead out on anything but a spade.

Paxosmotic · #7 07-21-2005, 09:24 AM

You have no kicker and you're trying for a check-raise? This is a catastrophe, because now it's two bets back to you because one of those people has a King or they're both bluffing. How can we tell? We don't. You should have bet out to proteect your hand.

ggano · #8 07-21-2005, 10:03 AM

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You have no kicker and you're trying for a check-raise? This is a catastrophe, because now it's two bets back to you because one of those people has a King or they're both bluffing. How can we tell? We don't. You should have bet out to proteect your hand.

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How can he protect his hand against a better King? Maybe you mean protect it against the flush draw?

Does anyone else think that calling getting 13:1 here is OK?

MrEngenic · #9 07-21-2005, 10:09 AM

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You have no kicker and you're trying for a check-raise? This is a catastrophe, because now it's two bets back to you because one of those people has a King or they're both bluffing. How can we tell? We don't. You should have bet out to proteect your hand.

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Bet out to protect his hand? Betting is not for protection, it is for value! Hero is way ahead of everyone almost always against a large field. Fearing another K is rediculous just because it's bet and raised on the flop. I wouldn't fear another K unless it's capped and raised on the turn.

crownjules · #10 07-21-2005, 09:43 AM

Calling preflop is ugly. K2o is an awful hand, especially against a raise (even half price) and against so many. That being said, you got incredibly lucky with this flop. I would bet this out. The one person you figure will bet would be Button, and if you C/R him then you'll blow away the hands you have in bad shape. As it played, I would go ahead and 3-bet in your position. The likelihood of someone holding the last K is very slim. Lead the turn. If MP2 raises again on a turn blank, I might begin to consider him holding the last K.