Am I supposed to flat call this river?

Borodog · #1 10-23-2005, 01:55 AM

Live $5-$10 11 handed. UTG player is good when he wants to be. He can be too loose calling pre- and post-flop, but when he's showing aggression, he's usually got the goods. He runs his mouth too much in hands also.

UTG open raises. I 3-bet with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Folds to UTG who 4-bets. I call.

Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

UTG bets. I raise. UTG 3-bets. I announce, "Cap it," and 4-bet, but UTG reminds me, "Uh huh. Heads up, no cap. 5 bets." Uh oh. I call. UTG says to the dealer, "Dealer, I will pay you $20 to not pair the ****ing board."

Turn is the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

UTG bets. I raise. UTG says, "Goddamnit," and calls.

River is the T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

UTG bets.

WillMagic · #2 10-23-2005, 02:01 AM

Ugh. Yeah. You can't fold to a three-bet. And given your description he doesn't have TT enough to justify raising.

There better be a goddamn jackpot where you are playing.

Will

TheHammer24 · #3 10-23-2005, 02:11 AM

There are 12 combos of KK. 1 of them beats you. Falt calling is terrible. Call a three bet, but man would this freaking epitomize MUBS if you feared a royal flush.

Borodog · #4 10-23-2005, 02:12 AM

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There are 12 combos of KK. 1 of them beats you. Falt calling is terrible. Call a three bet, but man would this freaking epitomize MUBS if you feared a royal flush.

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Boggle.

Borodog · #5 10-23-2005, 02:18 AM

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There are 12 combos of KK. 1 of them beats you. Falt calling is terrible. Call a three bet, but man would this freaking epitomize MUBS if you feared a royal flush.

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Boggle.

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To be a little more illustrative, there are only 6 combinations of KK and none of them beat me. If you meant AK, there are 16 combinations, and only 1 of them beats me. But then again, only one of them beats a full house, which UTG has indicated he understands I have on the turn (at least), and is making a crying call-down.

TheHammer24 · #6 10-23-2005, 02:22 AM

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There are 12 combos of KK. 1 of them beats you. Falt calling is terrible. Call a three bet, but man would this freaking epitomize MUBS if you feared a royal flush.

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Boggle.

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To be a little more illustrative, there are only 6 combinations of KK and none of them beat me. If you meant AK, there are 16 combinations, and only 1 of them beats me. But then again, only one of them beats a full house, which UTG has indicated he understands I have on the turn (at least), and is making a crying call-down.

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I meant AK which there are 16 combos not 12 as you stated. I don't think Villian has KK, but he may not have wanted the board to pair because of that? I don't know, but [censored] dude, you have to raise that.

#7 10-23-2005, 02:25 AM

I'd be thinking jackpot...and start dancing on the table....
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And then raise. Call at 5 bets or so.

Borodog · #8 10-23-2005, 02:27 AM

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Just to make it clear in case it affects anyone's analysis (although I don't see how), there is no jackpot. This is a just a local cardroom in NC.

Shillx · #9 10-23-2005, 02:29 AM

Yeah I don't see how you can raise here. Your hand is basically face up at this point the way this hand has gone down. He can beat a full house and he almost surely doesn't have TT given the action.

Brad

#10 10-23-2005, 02:33 AM

people say crazy things. Sure it's possible that he has a str8 flush, but it's also likely he flopped a set that turned into a boat and was saying that stuff for deception purposes so that you don't put him on the right hand. I think you have to raise at least once here.