TP with a Draw

[Jester999]

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If I play I need to push and I don't want to play for my stack here.

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You absolutely cannot push here with this many enemy. My first gut reaction was to raise enough to put shortie all in and fold to heavy action back to me. Again, shorty's coming along but against his range of hands I don't feel terrible. The only problem is that I've put 30% of my stack at risk. Seems like quite a leap.

[ScottTheFish]

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You absolutely cannot push here with this many enemy.

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I know, that's why i said I wouldn't do it. This spot sucks. None of your choices are very appealing. I vote for fold, but in the heat of battle I'm not sure what I would do.

What did you do and what happened?

[Jester999]

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You absolutely cannot push here with this many enemy.

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I know, that's why i said I wouldn't do it. This spot sucks. None of your choices are very appealing. I vote for fold, but in the heat of battle I'm not sure what I would do.

What did you do and what happened?

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Yeah I know you were basically advocating a fold. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I wasn't calling you out at all. Thanks for posting.

And I'm just waiting to see if Brunson has anymore pearls of wisdom.

[elus2]

it is easy for utg+1 to fold here if you come over top. the hands he calls with will be close to 50% equity versus your pair+flush draw heads up. the question is how good is your equity multiway with the shortstack for the main pot if your push gets called. i'd say that you have more than ample equity considering the hands that each of your opponents are holding. The only scenario in which you are a huge dog is when one of them holds a higher flush draw (A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) and the other holds two pair or better. Even then you will only be a big dog for the main pot and will most likely coinflip for the side pot.

[Allinlife]

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fold preflop, and it's not even close.

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wtf get outta here.

however I think folding on the flop is fine here.. calling looks much worse than raising and raising commits you.. hm tough spot actaully.

[RiverFenix]

I would like overcalls here with the A of clubs but in this situation id minraise and expect only UTG+2 to come along since its only 15 more to him. You have a hand already with a good redraw, id expect to win this HU.

I only play 6max so this may not be the best advice for full.

[Wolffink]

This is an interesting hand. I think folding is safer, but I'd probably push here. You probably either have the best hand or best draw. UTG+1 raise isn't how people typically play sets. He wants people out. Even if he does have a set, you have outs.

So push. If you don't push, fold.

[Jester999]

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This is an interesting hand. I think folding is safer, but I'd probably push here. You probably either have the best hand or best draw. UTG+1 raise isn't how people typically play sets. He wants people out. Even if he does have a set, you have outs.

So push. If you don't push, fold.

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I just don't think pushing is the right play with this many people in the hand. I'll ask again because this sucker resurfaces. What about raising enough to put the villain in and folding to heavy action. I get about 30% of my stack in and still may have to fold. To overextended?

[elus2]

it is because there are so many people in the hand that you to push. versus the nutflush draw you have the best hand. versus other hands that call you usually have a good draw. there's a lot of dead money in there and getting it headsup versus the short stack isn't bad. if the other guy gets in the pot when you push your equity is still good over his range of hands for both he main and side pots unless one happens to hold two pair/set/over-pair and the other has AdKd type of drawing hand. the preflop raiser folds enough hands to get you heads up with the shortstack who you're more than likely on a coin flip against.