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Old 09-21-2005, 10:08 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

I am wondering if I played these hands correctly... I won some and I lost some...

5 handed, but only 25/50 blinds... and OOP... did my cards play me?
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1350)
Seat 6: ritt2427 (1945)
Seat 7: turkmhk (3060)
Seat 9: AZDODGERS (1130)
Seat 10: KinGdUrAk (515)
turkmhk posts small blind (25)
AZDODGERS posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ah, Qc ]
KinGdUrAk folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (1350) to 1350
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in White <font color="white">
ritt2427 folds.
turkmhk calls (1325)
AZDODGERS folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, Tc, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 0, lost 1350 [ Ah Qc ] [ a pair of eights -- Ah,Qc,Tc,8c,8h ]
turkmhk balance 4460, bet 1350, collected 2750, net +1400 [ Ad As ] [ two pairs, aces and eights -- Ad,As,Tc,8c,8h ]
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This seems fine to me...
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: victory118 (1548)
Seat 4: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1323)
Seat 5: DoubleD1970 (730)
Seat 6: leonpolska (2670)
Seat 10: traintk (1729)
DoubleD1970 posts small blind (50)
leonpolska posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 8d, Ah ]
traintk folds.
victory118 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (1323) to 1323
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in white <font color="white">
DoubleD1970 calls (680)
DoubleD1970 is all-In.
leonpolska folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5h, 7c, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 593, bet 1323, collected 593, lost -730 [ 8d Ah ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Jh,Ts,8d,7c ]
DoubleD1970 balance 1560, bet 730, collected 1560, net +830 [ Jc Js ] [ three of a kind, jacks -- Jc,Js,Jh,Ts,7c ]
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This seems fine given my stack size...
5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: victory118 (1548)
Seat 4: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (593)
Seat 5: DoubleD1970 (1560)
Seat 6: leonpolska (2570)
Seat 10: traintk (1729)
leonpolska posts small blind (50)
traintk posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Th, As ]
victory118 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (593) to 593
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in White <font color="white">
DoubleD1970 folds.
leonpolska calls (543)
traintk folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9c, Ks, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
DoubleD1970: can't do it tp ya twice
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 0, lost 593 [ Th As ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ad,Ks,Th,9c ]
leonpolska balance 3263, bet 593, collected 1286, net +693 [ 9d Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and nines -- Ad,Kd,Ks,9d,9c ]
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OK to push this UTG?
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: intense44 (2689)
Seat 2: jxfull (2434)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1665)
Seat 6: kam_morgs (1212)
intense44 posts small blind (100)
jxfull posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Jd, Ad ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (1665) to 1665
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Results in White <font color="white">
Everyone folded
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Villain was decent player, had min raised earlier, I called and folded to his min bet on flop... With this shorty I thought if I pushed villain would fold, but the more I think about it... why should I risk this hand... however having villain covered gave me a false sense of security...
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: intense44 (242)
Seat 2: jxfull (1884)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (2680)
Seat 6: kam_morgs (3194)
jxfull posts small blind (150)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ac, Qd ]
kam_morgs folds.
intense44 folds.
jxfull raises (450) to 600
HERO?
Results in White <font color="white">
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (2380) to 2680
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
jxfull calls (1284)
jxfull is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, 6h, 9s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
jxfull balance 3768, bet 1884, collected 3768, net +1884 [ Th Tc ] [ two pairs, tens and threes -- Th,Tc,9s,3c,3d ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 balance 796, bet 2680, collected 796, lost -1884 [ Ac Qd ] [ a pair of threes -- Ac,Qd,9s,3c,3d ]
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:15 AM
wildzer0 wildzer0 is offline
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

Hand 1: You have 27x the bb here, there is no reason to push. Limp.

Hand 2: Again 13xbb, no reason to push here. I might raise to 300, but fold against any aggression. More likely, i just fold.

Hand 3: Looks ok.

Hand 4: Somewhat read dependent, I probably push this.

Hand 5: I call here.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:16 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

#1 you still have lots of chips, no need to push this hand IMO.

2: I dont know, youve got 13x BB, No need to get overly pushy here IMO.

3: Very easy push

4: Looks fine

5: This ones close. Because there is the guy with only 300, winning this hand would catapult you into first place HU. Remember that shorty will be all in in 2 hands, so passing on this hand may be best. I'm really not sure.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:19 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

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5: This ones close. Because there is the guy with only 300, winning this hand would catapult you into first place HU. Remember that shorty will be all in in 2 hands, so passing on this hand may be best. I'm really not sure.

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That's why I'm thinking a call here may be best. This could be a good opportunity to win a big pot, but it needs to be played cautiously.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

1) Pushing for 27BB is generally atrocious. What are you trying to accomplish here?

2) Pushing for 13BB is genera...read above.

3) You didn't mess this one up. Good job.

4) 4-handed with a monster and 8BB, yes I push.

5) It's a fine push if you think he will fold all but AA/KK. It's really opponent dependent though, and I highly doubt many players at the 11s will do so.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:29 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

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1) Pushing for 27BB is generally atrocious. What are you trying to accomplish here?

2) Pushing for 13BB is genera...read above.

3) You didn't mess this one up. Good job.

4) 4-handed with a monster and 8BB, yes I push.

5) It's a fine push if you think he will fold all but AA/KK. It's really opponent dependent though, and I highly doubt many players at the 11s will do so.

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#1 I agree was a disaster.
#2 ...not sure
#5 what do you mean [ QUOTE ]
I highly doubt many players at the 11s will do so.

[/ QUOTE ] Do what? Fold to my push? If that is what you mean, then I should probably call and evaluate flop, right?
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

Hand 5, I'm not sure his call wasn't worse than your push. Unless you had been extremly aggro stealing his blind, he has to think you have some over cards. I suppose he felt that you might push any two in that spot. Calling and seeing the flop is not horrible, but I don't think pushing against a small blind min raise with A Q when you have the small blind covered is that bad. He will have to fold many hands.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

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2) Pushing for 13BB is genera...read above.

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I agree that pushing A8 with 13 BB is probably not good, but with a hand like AJ+ or 88+, I think a push is fine. I think we all get caught up too much with the 10 BB rule. In reality if we make a "normal" raise with AQ and someone comes over the top to put us all in, are you really going to fold your remaining 10 BB? I'm not unless there are 4 players left and one of the is close to busting out.

Having said that, 13 BB is pretty much my cap as to when I will push all in vs making a normal raise.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:49 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

1) Your stack is too small vs the blinds to push here, and you're not desperate for chips. Standard raise to 150 or so, call a push from shorty. No need to open push here. (I generally loosen up the '10 BB' rule more than others, but not this far.) If say, the blinds were 25-50, I had 700 and one guy limped, I would push AQ. This is way too extreme given the blinds / your stack.

2) Probably get called weak tight for this, but I would just fold here. Again, not desperate, not a good enough hand to push. Don't really want to standard raise and get called by bigstack in the BB. If he was tight, I guess you could standard raise here, but I lean toward just folding in spots like this and keeping my stack intact. Depends on how loosey goosey the bigstack in the BB is playing.

3) Pushing is mandatory here

4) Another good push

5) What kyro said. Realize that most players on the 11s are not 'smart' enough to fold to your push here. That said, you still have a strong hand in the event that he does call and you have him covered. I suspect that there would be alot of disagreement on this hand among forum posters. It is very opponent dependent, whether you think he's capable of folding here. On an 11, I would tend to just call, believing that they are not laying down their hand. BTW, his call sucks.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s 5 Bubble Hands - good pushes? (won some, lost some)

I use the 10bb rule a little differently. My general rule is that if my raise would leave with me less 10bb or less, I just push. So 13 is usually about the cap for that. But that also means I tighten up a little more in situations like the original poster is in, because A8o is definitely not a hand I want to push with 13 bbs. I've been playing with pushing standards for 10-13 bbs lately though because I seem to get in a position where I get myself blinded down to less than 10bb and I start pushing again. It's a tricky stack size to play in an SNG I think.
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