Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Tournament Poker > One-table Tournaments

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-18-2005, 09:25 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

Can you guys check my line on these two hands, which occured back-to-back? I didn't have any strong reads on any of the players in the hand with me.

Thanks,

BM

Edit: I guess my main question with the first hand is whether or not you all would fold after the double all-in.

For the second hand, assuming you felt very strongly that you were looking at something other than a pair bigger than 44, would you call the all-in?

1st Hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: N ( $905 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $1685 )
Seat 9: D ( $699 )
Seat 7: R ( $865 )
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
P folds.
K folds.
R raises [150].
D calls [150].
G folds.
N folds.
Hero calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, Js ]
Hero bets [350].
R is all-In [715]
Tell a friend about PartyPoker.com and earn $50 & 1000 Party Points. Your friend receives $25!
D is all-In [549]
Hero calls [365].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]

2nd hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:4 Blinds(50/100)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: N ( $880 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $820 )
Seat 7: R ( $2454 )
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4h 4c ]
K folds.
R folds.
G folds.
G: gh
Hero: nh
N folds.
Hero calls [50].
P is all-In [909]
Hero is all-In [720]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Ah, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-18-2005, 09:51 PM
ace_in_the_hole ace_in_the_hole is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: 23k hands so far in March
Posts: 235
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

Well in the first hand I could fold after that second guy came all-in. Against the lone original all-in I would probably have to call.


In the second hand I think that you can fold this because you at best a slight favorite. If you wanna play it then YOU need to push and not call.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-18-2005, 10:01 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

In the first hand, I figured I'd only need to win around 1/7.5 times or so to make it right. The flop WAS very ugly, though, and no flush draws on the board should have told me that one of the two all-ins had me beat.

Ace, would you have pushed the 44 into the BB? I get fairly skiddish about the all-in move with small PP in the SB, as it has bitten me in the ass many times. Would you ever consider folding the 44 here?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-18-2005, 10:08 PM
lastchance lastchance is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 766
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

Hand 1: I check the flop and expect a CB so I can come over the top. Leading out folds hands you're ahead of, and you're getting raised by hand you're beat by. With TPTK, just do the check-all-in and expect to be ahead. And yeah, your pot odds are too good.

Hand 2: Your complete sucks. Never complete in the SB with <10x BB. Either push or fold, and when you have a monster such as 44, you need to push it.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-18-2005, 10:12 PM
ace_in_the_hole ace_in_the_hole is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: 23k hands so far in March
Posts: 235
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

[ QUOTE ]


Ace, would you have pushed the 44 into the BB? I get fairly skiddish about the all-in move with small PP in the SB, as it has bitten me in the ass many times. Would you ever consider folding the 44 here?

[/ QUOTE ]

I would probably complete hoping to see a favorable flop, then fold if raises out of the BB (although that's probably a leak of my own [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). I don't hate folding or pushing here either. What I do notl ike is completing then calling an all-in.
I'm sure most would advocate pushing prelfop into the BB.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-18-2005, 10:18 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

Well, the purpose of my lead bet on the flop was to find out where I stood with that dangerous flop. That was a mistake, though, as I wasn't able to lay it down anyway, as we saw.

You're right about the call on the 44. It was stupid, but I bit rattled by the previous hand. In my bout of anxiety, I forgot the golden push rule.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-18-2005, 10:21 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Results...

Yup, seems like the pre-flop push would have been best. Oh well.

Here are the results, in case you're curious. Lousy deal...

Hand 1:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: N ( $905 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $1685 )
Seat 9: D ( $699 )
Seat 7: R ( $865 )
Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
P folds.
K folds.
R raises [150].
D calls [150].
G folds.
N folds.
Hero calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, Js ]
Hero bets [350].
R is all-In [715]
Tell a friend about PartyPoker.com and earn $50 & 1000 Party Points. Your friend receives $25!
D is all-In [549]
Hero calls [365].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Hero shows [ Qh, Ac ] a pair of queens.
R shows [ 9s, 9h ] three of a kind, nines.
D shows [ Qc, Kh ] a pair of queens.
R wins 332 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, nines.
R wins 2122 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, nines.

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:4 Blinds(50/100)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: N ( $880 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $820 )
Seat 7: R ( $2454 )
Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4h 4c ]
K folds.
R folds.
G folds.
G: gh
Hero: nh
N folds.
Hero calls [50].
P is all-In [909]
Hero is all-In [720]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Ah, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Hero shows [ 4h, 4c ] a pair of fours.
P shows [ Ts, Ad ] a pair of aces.
P wins 189 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
P wins 1640 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-19-2005, 12:30 AM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 134
Default Re: 2 Hands from Party $109 - How\'s my line?

Just wanted to emphasize how important it is that you push when the action gets to you in hand 2. You are giving up a lot of EV by folding against any BB calling range. Limp calling the allin is pretty bad. But there really isn't an alternative to pushing IMO.

I play it the same in hand 1 and call the allin because of the ridiculous odds.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.