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Old 09-18-2005, 06:29 AM
lacky lacky is offline
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well, playing one table maybe you can sustain 6bb/100 at .5/1, but who would want to? I suppose I'm baises and have lost touch with my beginings by now, but the thought of one tabling for $5 an hour or so gives me a headache. Limit is boring even playing 6 to 10 tables. I'm averaging over $200/hour at 20/40 and 30/60 and still cant make myself play most days cause it's never what I feel like doing, even though it's what I should be doing. I started at .5/1, playing 3, then 6 tables back when you could only play 3 at a time on party. If money is at all your motivation, you really need to learn to play more tables. Even if you drop to 2.5bb/100 playing 4 tables, your way ahead, and it's not so mind numbingly dull (but still pretty bad [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

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Old 09-18-2005, 07:24 AM
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as far as playing for the future, and higher stakes stuff, cash games are bar none the best way to go, which is why im gradually going in that direction.

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Maybe in the long long run, NLHE tourneys are gonna be around for quite some time.

ps. I was absolutely retarded last night, sorry to all i drunken dialed and made no sense to [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 09-18-2005, 07:42 AM
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Off that same $300 BR you could 8table $11s for 20% ROI and make $27/hr.

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You'd have to be a very competant sng player with a lot of multi-tabling experience for this to occur.
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Old 09-18-2005, 07:47 AM
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I agree. Easy to say 8 table for 20% ROI but harder to do at any buyuin. Most people just aren't capable of doing this no matter how easy it may seem to some people.
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Old 09-18-2005, 07:52 AM
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hell, most people cant play winning poker period. I used to think any intelegent person could learn it. I was wrong.

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Old 09-18-2005, 07:57 AM
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Intelligent person? Hell a monkey is supposed to be able to beat low limit PP games right?

Every time I hear people say something like they could teach a monkey to play blah blah blah I always think they should try teaching someone sometime. I have spent a fair bit of time teaching people who have asked me to and based on my experience you can expect 1-2 out of 10 to do fairly well but no more. Maybe I'm just a lousy teacher but I don't think so.
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:38 AM
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hell, most people cant play winning poker period. I used to think any intelegent person could learn it. I was wrong.



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Old 09-18-2005, 09:55 AM
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making 6BB per 100 hands

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hahahahhahahahahahah ahaahahhahahahahahhahahahaha. gasp. hahahahahhahaahhahah ahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah.
gasp. its simply not possible to get 6bb/100 no matter what the stakes are. thats just disgustingly stupid.

as far as sngs vs low limit 6 max goes.. how many tables of 6 max can you play? MAYBE 8, and that would be disgustingly fast. ive done 8 5-10 6max games before, and had a tough tough time with it. i can 20 table 22s without near as much thought or trouble.

as far as bankroll goes.. anybody playing the 22s on 1100 should move up, unless they are retarded like me and love to play 3209580923923 tables with no variance and no stress.

again, i know you said the whole 6bb/100 only doable at x level, but even at .5-1 6 max, if you are 4 tabling, which is still quite a bit too fast for most people, you will NOT get over 4bb/100. you just wont, i dont care who you are.

dont get me wrong, as of late i have been playing more and more cash games, and havent really been running well, but have been wondering why i EVER stopped playing them. then i realized how pissed i get when people call me down after potting the whole way facing a 3 flush board and 4 overcards. oh wait, thats me steaming. ZING. thats why.

in sngs, if you are steaming, you might make a SLIGHTLY incorrect -ev shove, maybe to the tune of -.5% or something. whatever, it happens. if i go on tilt in sngs, my results simply wont change. when im playing massive tables, i play exactly the same no matter what, and all the pushes and calls i could program my calculator to make.

in ring games, you have to think. a lot. you ahve to use yer brain, adjust to different situations, and think a lot on the fly. this limits the number of tables you can play, and also causes more strain on the ol noggin, which causes sessions to be generally shorter.

as far as playing for the future, and higher stakes stuff, cash games are bar none the best way to go, which is why im gradually going in that direction. the ol law of diminishing returns is much kinder to us poker players in deep stack ring games, as you can only do so much with those quickly escalating blinds.

so which side of the argument am i taking? well, i definitely think playing sngs up to the 55 level or so is wayyyyy more profitable than similar bankroll required ring games, as its so simple to just add more and more tables and go pushbot mode. after that though.. the idiots in cash games, especially NL cash games.. make it worth learning over sngs. (that was long.. hope its useful, i dont generally make long posts) holla

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holy gregariousness batman, this post may have a bigger word count than all your other posts combined!!!
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:59 AM
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making 6BB per 100 hands

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hahahahhahahahahahah ahaahahhahahahahahhahahahaha. gasp. hahahahahhahaahhahah ahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah.
gasp. its simply not possible to get 6bb/100 no matter what the stakes are. thats just disgustingly stupid.

as far as sngs vs low limit 6 max goes.. how many tables of 6 max can you play? MAYBE 8, and that would be disgustingly fast. ive done 8 5-10 6max games before, and had a tough tough time with it. i can 20 table 22s without near as much thought or trouble.

as far as bankroll goes.. anybody playing the 22s on 1100 should move up, unless they are retarded like me and love to play 3209580923923 tables with no variance and no stress.

again, i know you said the whole 6bb/100 only doable at x level, but even at .5-1 6 max, if you are 4 tabling, which is still quite a bit too fast for most people, you will NOT get over 4bb/100. you just wont, i dont care who you are.

dont get me wrong, as of late i have been playing more and more cash games, and havent really been running well, but have been wondering why i EVER stopped playing them. then i realized how pissed i get when people call me down after potting the whole way facing a 3 flush board and 4 overcards. oh wait, thats me steaming. ZING. thats why.

in sngs, if you are steaming, you might make a SLIGHTLY incorrect -ev shove, maybe to the tune of -.5% or something. whatever, it happens. if i go on tilt in sngs, my results simply wont change. when im playing massive tables, i play exactly the same no matter what, and all the pushes and calls i could program my calculator to make.

in ring games, you have to think. a lot. you ahve to use yer brain, adjust to different situations, and think a lot on the fly. this limits the number of tables you can play, and also causes more strain on the ol noggin, which causes sessions to be generally shorter.

as far as playing for the future, and higher stakes stuff, cash games are bar none the best way to go, which is why im gradually going in that direction. the ol law of diminishing returns is much kinder to us poker players in deep stack ring games, as you can only do so much with those quickly escalating blinds.

so which side of the argument am i taking? well, i definitely think playing sngs up to the 55 level or so is wayyyyy more profitable than similar bankroll required ring games, as its so simple to just add more and more tables and go pushbot mode. after that though.. the idiots in cash games, especially NL cash games.. make it worth learning over sngs. (that was long.. hope its useful, i dont generally make long posts) holla

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holy gregariousness batman, this post may have a bigger word count than all your other posts combined!!!

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great post tho

care to share some numbers with us rap? how many 20 tabling, roi/itm....biggest swings etc
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Old 09-18-2005, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: Low limit ring games more profitable than STTs?

I have been a SNG grinder for a year, with the occasional cash game play. Lately I've devoted myself 90% to NL cash games on Empire and I'm shocked how much more $ I am making. My hourly rate is significantly higher over the last month than I ever made on SNGs. I started out just nut peddling 50 and 100 NL, and I have played up to 400 NL and there are often more maniacs and fish there than even the low levels. If you have good table selection skills, I really believe NL ring games, especially six max, are far more profitable than SNGs for me. I find them more entertaining as well, as SNGs have become so instinctive and methodical to me that they are more work than fun. I still love live tourny play, but online I think I am headed towards becoming a six max - NL specialist.
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