AKs OOP against a 3 flush flop and 4th flush turn?

Sasnak · #1 07-31-2005, 02:29 PM

No strong reads on villain yet. CO was a total LP calling station.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button calls.

The flop isn't the greatest but I reraise to see where I'm at. 

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero???

Doc7 · #2 07-31-2005, 02:33 PM

I don't see how you could call a raise if you bet this turn...is check-call too weak-tight, or is betting out and seeing if he folds too dangerous?

doodle2 · #3 07-31-2005, 02:35 PM

Lead. Fold to a raise. If he calls lead the river. Fold to a raise.

doodle

benneh · #4 07-31-2005, 02:36 PM

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Lead. Fold to a raise. If he calls lead the river. Fold to a raise.

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SteveM · #5 07-31-2005, 02:37 PM

I probably bet/fold here, but am curious what others would do.

Duerig · #6 07-31-2005, 03:16 PM

I don't like the flop 3 bet. I bet-call this flop, intending to check raise or donk a non club turn.

Aaron W. · #7 07-31-2005, 03:18 PM

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I don't like the flop 3 bet. I bet-call this flop, intending to check raise or donk a non club turn.

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Check-raise is bad unless you are absolutely certain villain will bet. And "no reads" makes you not absolutely certain.

Fantam · #8 07-31-2005, 03:18 PM

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The flop isn't the greatest but I reraise to see where I'm at. 

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I am not sure that this achieved its purpose, because you still dont really know where you are on the turn.

I would go with the bet/fold to a raise line on the turn and check/call on the river.

I dont think that you are likely to be called by a worse hand on the river if you bet, but you might induce a bluff if you check.

Sasnak · #9 07-31-2005, 04:08 PM

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The flop isn't the greatest but I reraise to see where I'm at. 

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I am not sure that this achieved its purpose, because you still dont really know where you are on the turn.

I would go with the bet/fold to a raise line on the turn and check/call on the river.

I dont think that you are likely to be called by a worse hand on the river if you bet, but you might induce a bluff if you check.

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Here are my thoughts on the flop.

1) I'm OOP

2) Holding TPTK

3) Bad 3 flush flop

Since I raised preflop and did hit my TPTK, naturally I need to lead out to show no flop fear. Villain raises for info and I reply with a 3 bet saying I hold a big [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

When he calls I feel confident he is holding at least one [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and also might have a TP holding. If he capped my 3 bet, I'm torn between a laydown and call. If I call I'm check/calling the rest of the way.

Anyhow, that's the reasoning behind the flop action. Good/Bad?

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Duerig · #10 07-31-2005, 05:17 PM

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I don't like the flop 3 bet. I bet-call this flop, intending to check raise or donk a non club turn.

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Check-raise is bad unless you are absolutely certain villain will bet. And "no reads" makes you not absolutely certain.

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Agreed. I donk into most.