fish donkbets my flush on the turn...was I correct to raise?

[marchron]

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you people need to rethink your preflop play if you're folding that.

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I must have missed the part in SSHE where it was recommended to play 4/3 suited even in a 7-way pot.

Seriously, I must have missed it, 'cause it's seriously there.

I'm still folding it, because I'm a weenie like that.

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you people need to rethink your preflop play if you're folding that.

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I must have missed the part in SSHE where it was recommended to play 4/3 suited even in a 7-way pot.

Seriously, I must have missed it, 'cause it's seriously there.

I'm still folding it, because I'm a weenie like that.

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SSHE says to play em as low as 54s. 34s isn't much of a stretch from the CO with the whole damn table limping.

How did you get past PF with a raise to you holding 34s?

Anyway, now that you landed your nice flush (nice pot, 11BB on the turn), raise that turn. Knock out anyone holding one [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or two pair drawing to a boat.

Just for the record, I'm loving the flop raise.

-AC

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Fold preflop, the lowest I'd ever go here is 45s. I know 34s is very, very close to that hand, but you could make the argument that 45o is pretty damn close to 45s, so why not run that hand here as well? Soon you'll be playing any 2 with this logic.

Definitely raise the turn, you can't allow the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to draw cheaply. I see no reason to suspect a full house is out there, and if there's a higher made flush, you're going to lose some bets because you need to extract value when you are ahead, which ought to be the case most of the time here.

[Entity]

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Just for the record, I'm loving the flop raise.

-AC

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That's too bad, because it kinda sucks.

Preflop is fine. Call the flop. Raise the turn.

Rob

[lautzutao]

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SSHE says to play em as low as 54s. 34s isn't much of a stretch from the CO with the whole damn table limping.

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Fold preflop, the lowest I'd ever go here is 45s. I know 34s is very, very close to that hand, but you could make the argument that 45o is pretty damn close to 45s, so why not run that hand here as well? Soon you'll be playing any 2 with this logic.

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First off, thank you very much for all of the responses. I appreciate the input, but...

Buck, how much better is 54s compared to a 43s? Look, I love SSHE and all, but those guidelines aren't set in stone. I have a family pot here and I have 2 suited connectors. With this many callers and my position I make this limp every time.

As far as the flop raise, was this a little nutso? Perhaps. But I had been at this table a long time and hadn't seen a 3-bet since I've been there. I took the risk for the chance at a free turn. And I know people aren't folding to my raise(except perhaps the button) with their money already in the pot.

I haven't been playing poker very long, and this has been the first real loose/passive game I had played at. I'm still learning how to apply what I've learned from all the books I've read, and know I'm going to make mistakes. But from what I saw at THIS particular table in THIS particular situation I felt that flop raise was correct.

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Just for the record, I'm loving the flop raise.

-AC

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That's too bad, because it kinda sucks.

Preflop is fine. Call the flop. Raise the turn.

Rob

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OK, let's play pro/con here:

Pro - The 4flush is his ONLY way out of this hand.

Pro - He's getting 8:1 plus any implied odds when action returns to him. The raise here is for value, since its likely that players won't fold a late raise after investing $.25 in a pot with a VERY coordinated board.

Pro - Its safe to assume at least one caller is drawing to the straight thats on board, not the flush. This means implied odds are definitely not an afterthought here, and some situations WILL give you lots of equity.

The only (biggest) con I can think of is:

Con - There could be other players drawing to a flush, and 4-high is not very inspiring.

This, however, is the purpose of the turn raise. Of course, I'm sure you have a big list of cons that I'm interested in hearing.

-AC

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Just for the record, I'm loving the flop raise.

-AC

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That's too bad, because it kinda sucks.

Preflop is fine. Call the flop. Raise the turn.

Rob

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A flop raise isnt that horrible is it? Theres a good chance button will cold call, and we'll be getting 3:1 on our bet when we have about 33% equity. At worst, button folds, we don't get a free card, and our flop raise was slightly -EV.

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Buck, how much better is 54s compared to a 43s?

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I don't know, good question. Maybe one of the many numbers fanatics running around will tell us. In hindsight, preflop is fine. Your implied odds when playing at this level are huge, as you'll be paid off in spots that don't warrent it.

Edit: I want to add that the flop raise isn't good. Missed that the first time around. You don't want to drive out players, as you're not even raising for value right now. Just call the flop.

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you people need to rethink your preflop play if you're folding that.

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Hmmm....
I don`t know. There is 3 people still to act. It is definetely not worth limping if there`s a relevant chance somebody raises.
If the button is very passive it`s ok to limp in.
I`d also limp if I had the button.