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Old 08-10-2005, 02:10 AM
SkittleBrau SkittleBrau is offline
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Default AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

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CO is slightly LAG 27/21/2 but not unreasonable so far. SB is a moron and has stats of 80/20/1.25. I was pretty confused at what CO might have that I could beat (KK, QQ, AQ, flush draw?). SB could be calling with any piece of the board -- and "any piece" keeps improving on later streets.

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, CO calls.

River: (14 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Comments? Plan to fold to turn/river c/r?
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:13 AM
wackjob wackjob is offline
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

Overplayed A or flush draw. I think there is value in the river bet.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

I'd say SB is on a heart draw 95% of the time and CO has KQ 90% of the time. This is a weird line.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:21 AM
SkittleBrau SkittleBrau is offline
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

What line do you suggest instead?
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

You think CO has KQ with a 2 AF and didn't BO or ChR the turn? Nut straight that afraid of a boat on the turn?
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:23 AM
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

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What line do you suggest instead?

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It's difficult here because I think you're drawing to 2 outs most often here, especially after seeing the turn action. Literally no other hands make sense besides KQ and AT after the turn. That's why I would check behind on the river when AT fills up and you're still behind KQ.


The other hand that plays like this is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I think that caps preflop though.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:24 AM
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You think CO has KQ with a 2 AF and didn't BO or ChR the turn? Nut straight that afraid of a boat on the turn?

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Yep. The flop went bet-raise-3bet after hero 3bet preflop. Villain has to put here on some sort of a hand here when he caps. When he doesn't check-raise the turn here, which seems to have "hurt" him in some way, it's pretty clear that he is worried that his preflop raising hand that liked the flop got counterfeited in some way.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

You'd bet the turn and fold to a river bet or check behind on the turn and fold to a river bet?

In the heat of battle I was thinking I didn't want to give a free card to the flush/straight draws/AQ against aggro guys in this spot.
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Old 08-10-2005, 02:44 AM
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No, I bet the turn, and check behind when the T hits on the river.

I also call for 1 bet if I get donked on the river.
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Old 08-10-2005, 04:28 AM
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Default Re: AK TPTK + gutshot, crappy board

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No, I bet the turn, and check behind when the T hits on the river.

I also call for 1 bet if I get donked on the river.

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