Flopped a flush draw, how did i play it?

jakeoneil · #1 06-03-2004, 09:57 PM

I thought that i played this hand really well, but then i started to think it might not have been too great a play...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t1240)
CO (t1880)
Button (t1320)
Hero (t1460)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1140)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t2240)
MP2 (t1220)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, MP3 folds, CO raises to t80, Button folds, Hero calls t70, BB calls t60, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60.

Flop: (t440) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players) 
Hero checks, BB bets t20, MP1 raises to t40, MP2 calls t40, CO calls t40, Hero raises to t140, BB folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, CO calls t100.

Turn: (t1020) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
Hero bets t200, MP1 calls t200, MP2 calls t200, CO calls t200.

River: (t1820) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) 
Hero checks, MP1 bets t60, MP2 calls t60, CO raises to t460, Hero raises to t580, MP1 calls t980, MP2 folds, CO calls t580.

Final Pot: t4540
Main Pot: t4540 (t4540), between CO, Hero and MP1. > Pot won by Hero (t4540).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Qh Jh (flush, king high).
MP1 shows 9h Th (flush, king high).
CO shows Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins t4540. 

What do you think? I sensed that everyone in the hand was really weak, so i took control on the flop, and semibluff my flush draw, turn i hit a pair, and it doesnt seem that someone has an Ace, so i bet again, get too many callers, so i am giving up unless i hit a heart, a Q, or a J. River was the heart, and i knew that someone would make a stab at it and it someone did and another raised, i didnt figure anyone for Ah xh because of the weak action before the river, so i push... comments?

jakeoneil · #2 06-03-2004, 11:39 PM

bump

tripdad · #3 06-04-2004, 01:02 AM

why not a bigger raise on the flop. the betting was pitifully weak on everyone's part, leading me to believe noone was too thrilled with their hand. they would have likely folded to a, say T400 raise.

cheers!

cornell2005 · #4 06-04-2004, 08:11 AM

try the multitable tournamemnt forum

josie_wales · #5 06-04-2004, 08:29 AM

Hi,

Perhaps a few answers from you first.

What was the point of the check raise on the flop? What were you trying to do?

On the turn you bet 1/5 pot. What was the point of a bet of this size?

On the river it is bet and raise to you. What is the point of your raise?

As far as I am concerned, the PF call is fine. The check raise on the flop is not a BAD idea. The amount is. IF you are looking to build a pot, bet out.

If you are looking to take it down with the check raise, then push when it comes back to you. There is T600 in the pot at that point. If an all-in bet can push a better hand out, great. If they call, you have plenty of outs.

On the turn, same thing. A bet of 1/5 pot does what? No one is going to fold. You are drawing out of position and basically you are putting a big part of your tourney on the line. You bet 200....would you fold if a later player pushed?

On the turn, since you didnt push the flop, push now. Again, a better hand *may* fold. Not as likely as if you ppushed the flop. Again, you still can improve as well.

On the river, I think it is close between an overcall and a raise. A raise will most definitely get you the 120 more from the CO. An overcall and you may entice more to stay.

I would have probably raised as well.

Anyway, I am looking forward to hearing your answers to my questions too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Josie Wales

PS: I am not much of a tourney player, so take this with a grain of salt.