$33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds

[zipppy]

This is a fabricated hand, but the situation occurs on a consistant basis.

8 Left, blinds 15/30; no read on villian (still early).
--before posting--
Seat 1: 1430 chips
Seat 3: 740 chips
Seat 4: 825 chips (VILLIAN)
Seat 5: 775 chips
Seat 6: 1020 chips
Seat 7: 860 chips
Seat 8: 1415 chips
Seat 9: 935 chips (HERO)

Seat 1 is the button.
Seats 3 & 4 post.
Dealt to hero: (K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])
Seat 5 folds.
Seat 6 calls.
Seats 7 & 8 fold.
Hero calls.
Seats 9 & 1 fold.
Seat 3 folds.
Villian checks.

Pot -- 90.
Flop:
8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian bets 60.
Seat 6 folds.

I'm curious as to what other 2+2ers do here.
Hero?

[bennies]

raise it up to 250.



...

just kidding.

[tigerite]

Erm fold preflop generally. Crap hand to play in MP. Crap hand to play most times actually, but from the button it's just about acceptable.

Naturally this is a fold on the flop.

Definitely call. Call all the way to the river...the guy is obviously bluffing and you want to extract more chips.

JK...why even put call on the poll? I guess you could get fancy and then call here and raise the turn. Act like you have A8 or something and then lose all your chips when the other guy actually does.

I fold...I probably fold PF with just 1 other limper.

[zipppy]

I pose this poll because this is a spot I've started (awhile ago) raising.

What kind of a hand would the villian have in which he'd bet 60 in this spot? I think a PP of some sort, or perhaps a 2. If it is a PP, there's a good chance it isn't higher than an 8 since he didn't raise pre. (maybe 99 or tens, but usually not JJ or higher).

Do you believe he has an 8? How many of you would bet 2/3 of the pot on an uncoordinated board that gives you a set? More importantly, how many of your opponents will?

Bad/average players live for two things: WPT bluffs, and slow playing big hands.

If I have a read on an opponent, sometimes I choose to fold, and sometimes I choose to check with the intention of raising after the turn.

Thoughts?

>>>ZIPPPY

I raise here. There's a strong chance I'm wrong here, but I'd like to hear why.

[zipppy]

I put call on the poll to be complete. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[zambonidrivr]

fold preflop.

[stupidsucker]

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fold preflop.

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[zipppy]

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fold preflop.

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not an option [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

seriously though, maybe you're holding AJ, or AQ, or something else that you'd be in a pot against someone else in this spot.

Think of it in general terms: Two overs, 882 flop. Villian bets, your move?

I think the 60 bet on the flop is a sign of 1 of 2 things...either he has you beat and is building the pot, in which case you should expect to see a pot sized bet on the turn. or, he is bluffing you and expect to see a pot sized bet on the turn. are you going to call or raise a pot sized bet on the turn? what will you do if he raises significantly on the turn? if you will fold, i would just fold this now?

Personally, i probably would have limped in with this hand like you did, but i would quickly fold to this raise.