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Old 11-11-2005, 02:55 PM
ClaytonN ClaytonN is offline
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Default Re: To all of the downswing whiners around here

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No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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I can see this argument for 11's, but not 55's

"beating" is a relative term
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:58 PM
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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:04 PM
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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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Semantics...
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:06 PM
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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.

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So are "T.O.W., Kyro, TRex, and gOOt [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: To all of the downswing whiners around here

12% ROI equates to about 37% ITM. That's better than average and nothing to sneeze at. <shrug> maybe I just interpret "beating the game" as having a different meaning.

FWIW, I realize as you move up to the higher levels, 45/36 ITM/ROI might be a pipe dream, but at only 12%, I'd still be looking for the leaks.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:11 PM
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So the only one beating the game is Stanzee? Wow! Klingon math can be so enlightening.

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freemoney is beating the game too.

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So are "T.O.W., Kyro, TRex, and gOOt [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Kyro's not a troll...and I am sure he is way ahead...he has posted here for a long time...no one posts about hands for that long just for the fun of it.

T.O.W, however, was an annoying hippie. (hippies don't make money)
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:23 PM
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I think you are confusing "beating" and "crushing".
I would think that "beating" the game means you can maintain a +ROI over thousands of tourneys.
I can see applying your logic to someone who says they are "crushing" the game.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:26 PM
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Neither 45% ITM nor 36% ROI are possible at the 55's.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:27 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Fair enough
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:30 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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I beat the 55s for 12%

No offense, but I don't consider a 12% SNG ROI to be "beating" anything. Randomly, you should be ITM 30% of the time. To my mind, the threshhold of "beating" them is a 50% increase over the average, or 45% ITM. At 45% ITM spread evenly over the 3 payout spots (assuming a 10-handed table), your ROI should be 36%.

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Semantics...

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What would 2+2 be without the occaisional beef over semantics. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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