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12-29-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop
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[ QUOTE ] his bet seems to be nothing more than a continuation with air [/ QUOTE ] why would he be c-betting in hero's pot? [/ QUOTE ] He called a raise preflop. He's first to act postflop. This is not "Hero's pot." It's still up for grabs. Call the bet what you like. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he's got two pair or a set, he's probably going to call and check the turn. I'm probably checking behind...an all in from him on the turn, I'm done unless it is a 7 or Q. [/ QUOTE ] i'd have trouble calling an all in if the turn was a Q [/ QUOTE ] Why? Lets say he calls Hero's raise and makes the nuts with a Q. It means he had KJ and limp-called PF. While this is semi-reasonable, you can't be scared of the nuts every hand. 
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#2
12-29-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] his bet seems to be nothing more than a continuation with air [/ QUOTE ] why would he be c-betting in hero's pot? [/ QUOTE ] He called a raise preflop. He's first to act postflop. This is not "Hero's pot." It's still up for grabs. Call the bet what you like. [/ QUOTE ] when i raise preflop and get a caller, i have control of the pot - it's my pot. when i raise preflop and someone bets into me, i don't have control of the pot anymore. raising an overpair w/ an open ended draw on THAT board after being bet into seems very donk-ish to me. i'd just call the flop bet from villain. you have position and a decent hand to see another card with. if villain calls your flop raise and leads the turn you're done with the hand. if you just call, you keep the pot small with your marginal holdings... hope this makes sense.
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#3
12-29-2005, 04:49 PM
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Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop
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when i raise preflop and get a caller, i have control of the pot - it's my pot. when i raise preflop and someone bets into me, i don't have control of the pot anymore. [/ QUOTE ] Which is why we now raise to regain the initiative [ QUOTE ] raising an overpair w/ an open ended draw on THAT board after being bet into seems very donk-ish to me. [/ QUOTE ] So we both agree that we likely have the best hand and if we don't our outs are likely live, but you don't want any more $ in the pot? [ QUOTE ] i'd just call the flop bet from villain. you have position and a decent hand to see another card with. [/ QUOTE ] Any card that helps your hand and doesn't help villian is likely killing your action. [ QUOTE ] if villain calls your flop raise and leads the turn you're done with the hand. if you just call, you keep the pot small with your marginal holdings... hope this makes sense. [/ QUOTE ] not really...
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#4
12-29-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop
well buddy, we obviously disagree.
i can assure you that bloating the pot w/ JJ on that board is bad and will lose you a lot of money in the long run.
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#6
12-29-2005, 07:30 PM
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Re: 100 NL - JJ - coordinated flop
I want to see some other respected posters give some thoughts on this hand as I think it's interesting and not a clear action either way.
I'm going to disagree with the concept of 'having to take charge of the hand' on the flop when I have position and a potential donk betting into me when I've got the best draw and probably the best hand. In position I can command my hands regardless of who is leading off the betting. I don't want the Villain 3-bet pushing here unless I'm looking to gambool to set a table image as well. You're getting 2:1 facing an extra $60 from villain and have at best 8 outs with two to come. Likely some tainted outs by his action as well. BUMP it up.
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