KK: lots of action, monotone flop

gopnik · #1 12-10-2005, 06:45 PM

Have not seen BB before but his stats after 32 hands are: 22/9.4/0.71

I think I did OK here. Anybody would put additional bets anywhere? To c/r this flop he either had to have a monster or a huge draw, so, I slowed down.
After the turn check I was fairly sure I was against an A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and he c/r the flop for value against 3 people.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 folds, BB 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (12.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB.

#2 12-10-2005, 07:02 PM

Whether or not it's right, I would 3 bet the flop and lead out at the turn without hesitation. I think you're good too often to let anyone take a free card to the big flush. If I got raised on the turn, I would call down.

#3 12-10-2005, 07:11 PM

I raise the river.

This is why. What hands can he 3-bet preflop and raise you on that flop with? AA, QQ, JJ, and 99. What about AKs and AQs? AQoff suite is possible but he don't have AKs in spades that for sure and neither is AQs. Will he cold call with AQoff? Probably yes with his stats. Which leaves us at AA, QQ, JJ and 99. He is checking the turn even though you guys only cold called his raise on the flop. This is making me go hmm,,, if he had QQ he would bet, probably same with 99 but if he had AA with the club he would bet too. I am pretty sure he don't have the A of clubs or he think his J of clubs is good enough to raise with.

I raise and cap being a happy man.

#4 12-10-2005, 07:16 PM

What about him 3 betting pre flop with AK offsuit, with the A of clubs?

#5 12-10-2005, 07:17 PM

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What about him 3 betting pre flop with AK offsuit, with the A of clubs?

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I go with his stats and say he would only call the flop raise with that hand here.

DCWildcat · #6 12-10-2005, 07:28 PM

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What about him 3 betting pre flop with AK offsuit, with the A of clubs?

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I go with his stats and say he would only call the flop raise with that hand here.

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22 VP$IP always 3-bet AK.

Any high ace w/ a club takes villain's exact line.

gopnik · #7 12-10-2005, 07:19 PM

with what hand would you 3-bet preflop, c/r the flop and check a none club turn?
It's got to have an Aclubs in it. I see only 2 hands: AA[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K play that way. QQ would have bet this turn.
Since there is more chance he's got AK, I think I should have bet this turn.

shant · #8 12-10-2005, 08:46 PM

3-bet the flop. Bet the turn.

@bsolute_luck · #9 12-11-2005, 09:34 AM

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3-bet the flop. Bet the turn.

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i do this all day.

HouseCalls · #10 12-11-2005, 09:54 AM

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3-bet the flop. Bet the turn.

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i do this all day.

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I understand this play in terms of counteracting an attempted free card play here but I have a question for those of you who do this a lot. We can make the free card expensive by doing this but (given all the raising before we 3 bet the flop) the player on the draw will still be getting odds to stick with his draw all the way to the river. Since we can't put him in a position to "make a mistake" are we doing this to build the pot for ourselves if the K's hold up? If not should we skip the re-raise/ lead out play once the pot gets this big??