A close call.

POKhER · #1 08-01-2005, 07:57 AM

Wanted opinions on this call, i figured i didnt have pot odds, but the implied check/raise on river were ok.

Agree or fold it?

Reads
Button: 59/2.4/0.8 - LOOSE PASSIVE PASSIVE over 127hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Yeh bet the flop i know, But i was on a 15BB challenge so playing tight/passive untill i hit - sorry

Turn: (2 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

MATT111 · #2 08-01-2005, 08:06 AM

I`d raise preflop most of the time.

MATT111 · #3 08-01-2005, 08:09 AM

Calling the turn is ok I think, as you get 2 BB on the river sometimes when you hit.

@bsolute_luck · #4 08-01-2005, 08:23 AM

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I`d raise preflop all of the time.

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FYP.

POKhER · #5 08-01-2005, 08:32 AM

i always call QJo in LP. and only call QJO ep/mp on passive/loose table. Usually fold.

Raise QJs in LP, Call the rest(EP/MP)

Is this bad ?

MATT111 · #6 08-01-2005, 08:46 AM

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i always call QJo in LP. and only call QJO ep/mp on passive/loose table. Usually fold.

Raise QJs in LP, Call the rest(EP/MP)

Is this bad ?

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I don`t think it`s terrible but raising is better.
Why?
1) You might buy the button.
2) You want to steal the blinds.

If there`s someone in in front of you it`s ok to limp as you won`t be able to steal.

If in the 1st two position it`s even more important to raise (if you don`t fold).

@bsolute_luck · #7 08-01-2005, 09:12 AM

#1 you're first in.
#2 you're in CO
#3 you already have the blind's money, why give them a free look at the flop? make them pay to play.
#4 even if they call, you have a strong hand SH
#5 you actually don't have the outs to continue with your draw on the turn, but had you raised preflop and bet the flop, you might have won it right there and you'd have outs to continue with your draw.

Dave G. · #8 08-01-2005, 09:17 AM

It's very thin. Given the numbers you posted for button, I'm not very confident in him betting the river.

This plus you can't give 8 full outs for your OESD due to the flush on the board means you need even more odds than normal to proceed.

These two things push this to a fold.

tiltaholic · #9 08-01-2005, 09:21 AM

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i always call QJo in LP. and only call QJO ep/mp on passive/loose table. Usually fold.

Raise QJs in LP, Call the rest(EP/MP)

Is this bad ?

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I don`t think it`s terrible but raising is better.
Why?

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it IS very bad/terrible to open limp in the CO.

POKhER · #10 08-01-2005, 09:24 AM

Yeh call is tight, I didnt think he had a flush draw... but i guess thats more hope than read. He could have held k[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] i suppose.

So better play would be:
Preflop: Raise
Flop: Bet
Turn: Call
River: bet(Or check raise - Bet is safer in this line).

Thanks guys,
He mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - Took pot with straight.