11s PP: How is it possible to make a profit

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If you are hitting >30% ROI at any level but the $215s, you are losing money by not moving up. Ie it's a silly goal. Yes it is achievable by very good players at low limits, but it's not worth their time to play there.

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eh... no. if your itm is 31% your not making profit. 33% should be the least since top 3 gets paid and thats 33% of 10. the ideal itm to be around is 39 i believe. havnt been in 11's for a long time so i dont no whats possible there.

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If you are hitting >30% ROI at any level but the $215s, you are losing money by not moving up. Ie it's a silly goal. Yes it is achievable by very good players at low limits, but it's not worth their time to play there.

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eh... no. if your itm is 31% your not making profit. 33% should be the least since top 3 gets paid and thats 33% of 10. the ideal itm to be around is 39 i believe. havnt been in 11's for a long time so i dont no whats possible there.

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eh ... 3 out of 10 is 30%, as far as I can recall.

[Mr_J]

I'm sure you can tell the difference between 'roi' and 'itm', so please go back and re-read my post again [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[GrekeHaus]

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So, do most here agree that 44 percent itm over the long-term is attainable?

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I'm not sure because I've never played the 11s. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

However, you should try not to focus too much on your ITM and ROI (especially over a small sample size). Worry about making the correct plays and plugging leaks. You can still be a winning player with an ITM in the mid to high 30s and it's not like you're a failure if you don't attain 44%.

[vinyard]

IMO, 44% ITM is certainly attainable long-term at the 11s. As is a ROI over 30%. Why anybody who isn't very, very scared of variance would bother to "prove" (4000+ sample size) is beyond me especially since the 22s are only marginally tougher.

I am currently learning to ten table continuously right now (I like the idea of pumping out 50 800 chippers in 3 hours) at the 11s with aspirations of moving up to the 55s by the spring and through a decent sized sample have a ROI/ITM combo considerably higher than 30/44. I doubt its sustainable but I am certainly not going to be the variance boogeymens' guinea pig.

I realize that the mantra of this forum is to overplay the effects of variance to excuse poor play and tilt but if through 200 games you have a negative ROI at the 11s there is a very good chance your game is full of leaks.

[Mr_J]

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For a rookie, can anyone tell me if I am missing something.

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Heh yeh maths skills [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

40% ITM, say 13.33% for each of the paid placings. That's ((.133*39 + .133*19 + .133*9) - .6*11)/11 = 21.18% ROI.

That's 33.27% ROI for 44% ITM.

My 11s SNGs from this weekend (Satuday and Sunday):

that looks perfectly sustainable [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Is it just me or have the calling requirements at the $11s gotten a lot looser as of late? I have been called off with real garbage the past few months when pushing late in the tourney. A/rag, K/7-k/9, Q/10s-qj; j/9, pp 22 and up. I want to move back to the 20s and 30s but I had to cashout awhile back and I like to move up when I have 200 buyins.

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Is it just me or have the calling requirements at the $11s gotten a lot looser as of late? I have been called off with real garbage the past few months when pushing late in the tourney. A/rag, K/7-k/9, Q/10s-qj; j/9, pp 22 and up. I want to move back to the 20s and 30s but I had to cashout awhile back and I like to move up when I have 200 buyins.

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Yes they are garbage (see my chart). It's great - money from the trees.