Math Question

[pzhon]

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Law of the tournament jungle - big stacks take on small ones to bust them out hang the odds. I was in a tournament last week 5 left I had 52s on the button and called both blinds who were all in and it was a very small part of my stack. My job was to try to bust them out.

It's strategy not math here.

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That is a strategy, but despite its popularity it is not a good strategy. Usually, it is hideously bad. Read TPFAP.

You have no mandate to knock people out. If you make a stupid call, you pay the full price, but get only a tiny fraction of the benefit, and only when you manage to suck out.

One of the reasons a chip and a chair is worth so much is that people will waste a big stack by making this type of call (against you, and against medium stacks), though usually not quite as bad.

[MikeGuz]

Look I have read TPFAP but the fact remains if I can call 2 tiny stacks with 2 or 3% of mine and have a chance to bust them out I will do it every time. No hand is that much better off than another specially when you are going to see all 5 board cards. You guys go out and play some real tournaments for a few years and come back and try to tell me what's up OK!

[MikeGuz]

Then comes here to argue the horrible hand.

I gotta laugh - all in - in a desperate position and called with a fair hand then whines about it.

Sounds like a not so bad beat story. I tried to tell this guy that big stacks will take on small ones specially in these conditions but he refuses to accept it.

[gergery]

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Look I have read TPFAP but the fact remains if I can call 2 tiny stacks with 2 or 3% of mine and have a chance to bust them out I will do it every time. No hand is that much better off than another specially when you are going to see all 5 board cards. You guys go out and play some real tournaments for a few years and come back and try to tell me what's up OK!

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It’s definitely a loose call and I wouldn’t make it. But its not terrible, as a button with 5xBB could be stealing with a wide variety of hands and he’s chip neutral vs. 99-22, A9-A2 and K9-K2 (almost even money), all of which are more likely than AK-AT, TT which he’s in ok but not great shape (2:1 dog). Only AA-JJ is he in big trouble against.

And you should only be calling 3% of your stack if you’re putting in only 10-20% of the money in the pot. Any more than that and you’re paying too much for the priviledge of busting them.

Qc Ah 559647 40.83
Js Ts 512418 37.38
2s 5c 293243 21.39


Qc Ah 565406 41.25
6s 6c 636717 46.45
2s 5c 163079 11.90

[ilya]

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If he only needs to pay 800 to win 1150, then based on pot odds, he was clearly correct to call. He's only about 5 to 4 dog. Non-dominated connectors do pretty well against an overcard/undercard combo heads up. What suit the cards are (do you share any suits for 1-card flush possibilities) can change things a percent or two, but regardless he had "odds to call. But he's only about +EV by 3% or so - he only needs to win about 41% of the time (800/1950) to be neutral EV, he wins about 44% of the time (roughly).

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Gramps, this doesn't make sense. The guy didn't know he was up against K7.

[housenuts]

i just did a very similar move. there's 7 left. i'm in the SB and it's folded to me. i have 1040 left and the blinds are 75/150. the guy in the BB had 1815 and had been playing tight. i raised all-in with K3s and he folded.

i went all-in again the next hand with A4s against 2 limpers and everyone folded again.

now i'm back in the hunt and can play tight

[Dominic]

Well, he dates a 15 yr. old. Which shows how screwed up his thought processes can be.

[Jman28]

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Law of the tournament jungle - big stacks take on small ones to bust them out hang the odds. I was in a tournament last week 5 left I had 52s on the button and called both blinds who were all in and it was a very small part of my stack. My job was to try to bust them out.

It's strategy not math here.

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You are exactly wrong

[Gramps]

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I was thinking to myself about what a stuipid call that was but then I wondered if he was actually getting the right odds, if he could see my hole cards.

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This is the question I was originally responding to...

[pzhon]

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Look I have read TPFAP but the fact remains if I can call 2 tiny stacks with 2 or 3% of mine and have a chance to bust them out I will do it every time. No hand is that much better off than another specially when you are going to see all 5 board cards. You guys go out and play some real tournaments for a few years and come back and try to tell me what's up OK!

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I can't tell whether you are intentionally trolling. You have posted bad advice on thread after thread. In case you are serious, thank you for making poker so profitable for the rest of us. If you would like to improve your poker game, I suggest that you pay more attention to what competent people say, rather than spewing your fallacies and misconceptions.