another misplayed hand - Page 2

wheelz · #11 10-02-2005, 10:01 PM

while i obviously shouldn't have folded the turn, should i have checked it in the first place?

ddubois · #12 10-02-2005, 10:09 PM

Go into more detail about why it's obvious you should not have folded the turn, please.

wheelz · #13 10-02-2005, 10:29 PM

look at UTG's stats... he's pretty maniacal, who knows what he has. button's probably not capping there with tens, there's only one combo of aces, he probably has JJ, QQ, KK... i'm definitely ahead here a good enough portion of the time. and if i'm not i still have outs and the pot is huge.

baronzeus · #14 10-03-2005, 01:49 AM

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while i obviously shouldn't have folded the turn, should i have checked it in the first place?

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yes, i think you should have checked.

i also think you should have 3bet

Subfallen · #15 10-03-2005, 01:55 AM

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should i have checked it in the first place?

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OMG NO. KK-JJ are the HUGE majority of button's range (1 combo of AA), he will check through here 9/10 times and why do you want to give free cards to UTG's likely spade draw??

whodaman · #16 10-03-2005, 02:18 AM

button probably caps this like 75% of the time if not higher...
He either has a set where your drawing to 4 outs and hoping he doesn't boat or no one else has a q to split.
He has an overpair and you dont know which outs are good, ie this turn.
To give yourself credit for four outs here is probably generous as almost certainly a q is no good, an ace probably isn't and you could be splitting with a J not to mention your not getting much action if you hit

what turn do you want to see besides a J?

whodaman · #17 10-03-2005, 02:21 AM

no you should bet this to help figure out buttons range and for value since he probably wont fold KK or QQ and certainly not JJ here.

ddubois · #18 10-03-2005, 04:40 AM

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he's pretty maniacal, who knows what he has... i'm definitely ahead here a good enough portion of the time.

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Here is where I disagreed. Even retards get dealt 67, 89, 9T, QJ, 88, A8, A9. I understand you want to discount the latter ones because he would have raised those (which is why I didn't even list 99, TT, AT). With that board and that action, I dunno if one pair is ahead ~5% of the time.

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and if i'm not i still have outs and the pot is huge.

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Yeah, I call hoping that I hit a J, or that a A/Q/pairing of the board are clean outs. (And then I call the river because the pot is huge, but feel like I should fold.)