My buddy berated me for this hand.commnts pls on this major suckout

pokerraja · #1 04-17-2005, 01:17 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

SB (t975)
BB (t800)
UTG (t985)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t730)
MP1 (t790)
MP2 (t835)
MP3 (t710)
Hero (t605)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP1 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, SB raises to t150, BB calls t135, UTG calls t135, UTG+1 calls t135, MP1 folds, Hero calls t135.

Flop: (t765) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets t825 (All-In), BB folds, UTG raises to t835 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t455 (All-In).

Turn: (t2880) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t2880) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t2880

Results in white below: 
SB has As Ks (one pair, aces).
UTG has Ah Td (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has Jd Kd (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins t2130. UTG wins t750.

Mr_J · #2 04-17-2005, 01:22 AM

Easy fold preflop.

Freudian · #3 04-17-2005, 01:26 AM

1. Fold preflop
2. Fold on the flop
3. If you are going to ignore 1 & 2, getting the ace on the river was smart.

pokerraja · #4 04-17-2005, 01:26 AM

I didnt mention I was on semi tilt. But, I just couldnt pass up the pot odds. I was ready to fold if flopped missed me. How was the flop call?

Nottom · #5 04-17-2005, 01:27 AM

Folding on the flop would be retarded.

Freudian · #6 04-17-2005, 01:28 AM

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I didnt mention I was on semi tilt. But, I just couldnt pass up the pot odds. I was ready to fold if flopped missed me. How was the flop call?

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Pot odds you created yourself by calling a 150 bet preflop.

pokerraja · #7 04-17-2005, 01:28 AM

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1. Fold preflop
2. Fold on the flop
3. If you are going to ignore 1 & 2, getting the ace on the river was smart.

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flop im getting roughly 3.5 to 1 and im drawing to the nuts.

splashpot · #8 04-17-2005, 01:30 AM

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I didnt mention I was on semi tilt. But, I just couldnt pass up the pot odds. I was ready to fold if flopped missed me. How was the flop call?

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Pot odds you created yourself by calling a 150 bet preflop.

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Brilliant, in my opinion.

Nottom · #9 04-17-2005, 01:33 AM

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Pot odds you created yourself by calling a 150 bet preflop.

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Just because he made a mistake preflop doesn't mean he should be compounding it by making a bigger mistake on the flop.

P.S. I'm pretty sure when hes talking about his pot odds he was referring to preflop.

Freudian · #10 04-17-2005, 01:34 AM

You could also be drawing dead if the board pairs. You could also have to split the pot even if it hits.

I see this kind of reasoning all the time, people making horrible bets preflop and on the flop, then forcing themselves to continue because they made themselves have potodds to chase god-knows-what.

I don't know what you want to hear. If you want to build pots with highly marginal hands and then count pot odds, do so. I think its horrible poker.