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Old 12-21-2005, 03:47 PM
Benman Benman is offline
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Default Re: River folds are cool atm.

The postulate is that we are a value betting favorite when merely called. This means our hand has some value. Then we get faced with calling one additional bet. We certainly went from a small favorite to a big dog. But how often is it such a big dog that we don't win 11% "by mistake?" Even so, how would you approach someone like me? You'd value re-raise more against me (to the extent that comes up often) but would have to cut down your bluffs against me, no?
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: River folds are cool atm.

i'm pretty sure you're a troll now.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: River folds are cool atm.

Why do you say that? I thought we were having an interesting argument. You really did fail to put any pot odds in your example, and the rule I quoted only kicks in at 8 to 1. So, if I was getting better than 8 to 1, I'd have to always call in your example.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: River folds are cool atm.

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Why do you say that? I thought we were having an interesting argument. You really did fail to put any pot odds in your example, and the rule I quoted only kicks in at 8 to 1. So, if I was getting better than 8 to 1, I'd have to always call in your example.

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maybe I'm wrong, you just seem to keep throwing the conversation off onto bizzare tangents.

i didn't list the pot odds because they are irrelevant. we are talking about whether or not a bet is for value. in the example I listed you get value from betting only if you fold when he 3bets. It is to prove my point that there are many situations that you can only value bet/raise if you are able to fold to a raise.
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: River folds are cool atm.

Exactly.
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